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In reply to the discussion: Western Denial of Women's Danger In Islam Concerns Us ALL [View all]ancianita
(36,352 posts)12. There ARE no better choices to represent any concerns for muslim women worldwide. Your guilt by
association is so Republican of you. But hey, if you can come up with some names, you would have already done so, wouldn't you.
In Ali's own words:
When I arrived in the Netherlands, in 1992, I misrepresented the year of my birth at my intake interview. I said I was born in 1967, but I was born in 1969. I also changed my grandfathers name. In many tribal societies, instead of a surname you have a string of namesI am Ayaan; my father is Hirsi; and my fathers father, when he was born, was named Ali. But later on, when he grew up and became a warrior, he was called Magan (Somali for protection or refuge), because he protected some of the peoples whom he conquered. Magan is, basically, a nickname that he acquired later in life.
Technically, I did not lie about Ali, because that was also his name. I used it deliberately, because I figured that if I could get this intake interview, then my father or the man he married me off to could come and say that they were looking for Ayaan Hirsi Magan, born November 13, 1969, and they would find me very easily. I wanted to prevent that, so I called myself Ayaan Hirsi Ali and changed my birth year to 1967. I was trying to cover my trail just enough that I wouldnt have the fear of being immediately found. I had never before lived in a system where there were any protections put in place for me...
My ex-husband was accompanied by three other men when he showed up at the asylum center where I was. But by then I had been in the country for something like four to six months, and even in that very, very short period, I came to understand that I had rights.
On the day that they showed up, I went to the reception center and confessed everything to one of the people working there. Her name was Sylvia, and she said, You dont have to go with him if you dont want to. Youre over the age of 18. In fact, here in the Netherlands, your marriage isnt even recognized, because he is Canadian and the marriage took place somewhere else. So we will just protect you. Ill simply call the police.
...I told my legal-aid lawyer about my forced marriage, and she said that it was not sufficient grounds for asylum and that I would have to come up with something else. So, based on the information she gave me, I adapted my story.
In 1992, the civil war in Somalia was at one of its worst points, and most European governments were giving asylum to Somalis. In fact, it was almost enough to just say that you were Somali. So, during my interview, instead of talking about my forced marriage, or about living in Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia, and Kenya, I just pretended I came straight from Somalia, and that I was fleeing the civil war..."
When I arrived in the Netherlands, in 1992, I misrepresented the year of my birth at my intake interview. I said I was born in 1967, but I was born in 1969. I also changed my grandfathers name. In many tribal societies, instead of a surname you have a string of namesI am Ayaan; my father is Hirsi; and my fathers father, when he was born, was named Ali. But later on, when he grew up and became a warrior, he was called Magan (Somali for protection or refuge), because he protected some of the peoples whom he conquered. Magan is, basically, a nickname that he acquired later in life.
Technically, I did not lie about Ali, because that was also his name. I used it deliberately, because I figured that if I could get this intake interview, then my father or the man he married me off to could come and say that they were looking for Ayaan Hirsi Magan, born November 13, 1969, and they would find me very easily. I wanted to prevent that, so I called myself Ayaan Hirsi Ali and changed my birth year to 1967. I was trying to cover my trail just enough that I wouldnt have the fear of being immediately found. I had never before lived in a system where there were any protections put in place for me...
My ex-husband was accompanied by three other men when he showed up at the asylum center where I was. But by then I had been in the country for something like four to six months, and even in that very, very short period, I came to understand that I had rights.
On the day that they showed up, I went to the reception center and confessed everything to one of the people working there. Her name was Sylvia, and she said, You dont have to go with him if you dont want to. Youre over the age of 18. In fact, here in the Netherlands, your marriage isnt even recognized, because he is Canadian and the marriage took place somewhere else. So we will just protect you. Ill simply call the police.
...I told my legal-aid lawyer about my forced marriage, and she said that it was not sufficient grounds for asylum and that I would have to come up with something else. So, based on the information she gave me, I adapted my story.
In 1992, the civil war in Somalia was at one of its worst points, and most European governments were giving asylum to Somalis. In fact, it was almost enough to just say that you were Somali. So, during my interview, instead of talking about my forced marriage, or about living in Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia, and Kenya, I just pretended I came straight from Somalia, and that I was fleeing the civil war..."
When muslim women need all the Western allies they can get, you, with your nasty detractions of their greatest fighter, are clearly pro-patriarchal saboteurs of muslim women, and cheap shot trolls here on DU.
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Interesting choice of excerpt.Why this particular excerpt? Do you doubt her veracity?
ancianita
May 2014
#5
Hell, no! Have you read her three books? They were written in 2004, 2007 and 2010, much
ancianita
May 2014
#8
Ali openly admitted to lying about "her journey" after the statute of limitations was up
azurnoir
May 2014
#9
Here is a recent photo of her with Pam Geller who blog atlas shrugs is a known antiIslamic hate site
azurnoir
May 2014
#7
There ARE no better choices to represent any concerns for muslim women worldwide. Your guilt by
ancianita
May 2014
#12
NO surprise that you'd disregard Waris Dirie her concern is women Muslim and otherwise first
azurnoir
May 2014
#13
All these women get more public platforms here than in the entire Muslim world. Quote "the
ancianita
May 2014
#44
Just this one? I can accept her views. They don't result in endorsing the killing of muslim women.
ancianita
May 2014
#20
Re Christianity, you don't know shit about it. Political Islam? Tenable? You think the Torah
ancianita
May 2014
#45
I never assumed you were muslim. You simply support patriarchal religion here. I'm an atheist,
ancianita
May 2014
#47
The difference in maps and graphs is the difference in rates based on populations measured. There
ancianita
May 2014
#49
really do you do this with all juries that you participate in? also what about the troll accusation?
azurnoir
May 2014
#55
ayaan hirsi ali is not a girl she is a 44 year old woman who associates with the likes of Pam Geller
azurnoir
May 2014
#57
Even if the person discussing is an associate of Pam Geller and Geert Wilders?
azurnoir
May 2014
#60
you do realize that Jordan also an Islamic country legalized being Gay in 1951?
azurnoir
May 2014
#62
there is no fantasy on my part you seem to only be concerned about Gay Rights in so far as they can
azurnoir
May 2014
#73
Gays are still killed in this country too. Being Gay was legalized in Iraq in 2003
azurnoir
May 2014
#72
Tell us have you ever known any Muslim women? I mean besides Ali in case you've met her
azurnoir
May 2014
#59
Any consensus battle doesn't change the international realities. Your whole strategy of challenging
ancianita
May 2014
#64
NO I addressed the supposed issue and subject of the thread below and I addressed it to you
azurnoir
May 2014
#66
This underscores Ali's claims that no one can deny the seriousness of Islam's dangers to women.
ancianita
May 2014
#11
Council of Islamic Ideology is a functionary body of the Pakistani government only
azurnoir
May 2014
#15
There is no rational response that an irrational religion deserves. Trying to reason with a religion
ancianita
May 2014
#21
Let's also clarify your view. You I both know that some mosque ANYWHERE in the West is acceptable,
ancianita
May 2014
#23
I am only anti-Islam to the extent that Islam is anti- any other religion. Let's tell the truth here
ancianita
May 2014
#28
You're right about my implied generalization, wrong about their power, since the Koran is the law
ancianita
May 2014
#30
Oh yes, please post links from all the "strongly criticized...traditionalist quarters...on the [male
ancianita
May 2014
#32
That's it! All that "criticism from many tradionalist quarters! Your "fair and balanced" defense!
ancianita
May 2014
#38
what are you talking about? and just who are you quoting? not me that's for sure
azurnoir
May 2014
#39
Silence. No surprise. This map shows even more about the top ten child marriage countries.
ancianita
May 2014
#33
the countries with high levels of security for women also happen to have large Muslim minorities
azurnoir
May 2014
#34
Great! Yes, there's always Thatcher. Nice try for the "fair and balanced" outlook.
ancianita
May 2014
#35