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jmowreader

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18. Phenidone is also hypoallergenic
Sun Mar 19, 2017, 04:53 AM
Mar 2017

I cannot stand metol either. I'm not allergic to it (which is a rare thing to say), but the shit will not dissolve if the concentration of sodium sulfite is "too high" - which basically means if there's any at all in the water when you add the metol, you're screwed.

Phenidone, OTOH, is the stuff you want to use: it's more potent of a reducing agent than Metol is and it doesn't cause contact dermatitis. Its only problem is it won't give you any contrast unless you put hydroquinone in the developer. (In the 1970s and 1980s there was a fad of shooting on microfilm...H&W Control film was panchromatic Agfa Copex Rapid, and Technical Pan was panchromatic Eastman microfilm. The only way they could get the contrast of those films down to something reasonable was to use a phenidone developer with just a tiny amount of hydroquinone in it.)

Now...how this "Guinness developer" and also the "coffee developer" some people use works: Serious darkroom geeks know there are three major b&w developing agents: metol, phenidone and hydroquinone. Hydroquinone is a "phenolic" compound - a hydroxyl group bonded to an aromatic hydrocarbon. There are also phenols in Guinness, coffee and wine - so if someone wanted to brew up a batch of Boxwineinol developer, it'd probably work. Now for the big problem with this shit: Phenolic agents give you a ton of contrast and they build heavy grain. Without a low-contrast agent (yup, phenidone) in your Guinness to mitigate the phenol, your pictures are going to come out looking like you shot on lith film, like you see here. It might be interesting to add 0.3 gram of phenidone and 15 grams sodium sulfite to a pint of well-shaken Guinness and do a little stand development.

Thanks for posting that. TexasProgresive Mar 2017 #1
Here's 3 of the pics TexasProgresive Mar 2017 #2
Thanks. I couldn't get the images to work. I like the vintage look. alfredo Mar 2017 #3
I have too much time on my hands. TexasProgresive Mar 2017 #4
I just tried preview, I didn't try posting. alfredo Mar 2017 #5
The image is just a touch grainy for a 125 ASA film. Virtual Burlesque Mar 2017 #15
Just about anything goes with beer. Adsos Letter Mar 2017 #6
True. Pizza is beer spelled backwards alfredo Mar 2017 #8
Piazza and beer down at the local pizza place. Adsos Letter Mar 2017 #10
I am still eating through a feeding tube, so all I can do is dream alfredo Mar 2017 #12
Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, but ManiacJoe Mar 2017 #7
Mackeson's XXX Extra Stout will do for me. alfredo Mar 2017 #9
Thought it was gonna be a joke. You develop the film, then have a beer. tclambert Mar 2017 #11
It's probably the acid in the beer alfredo Mar 2017 #13
I don't think you should mix acid with beer, man. tclambert Mar 2017 #14
It made me puke. alfredo Mar 2017 #16
Hah! A hypoallergenic developer. hunter Mar 2017 #17
Phenidone is also hypoallergenic jmowreader Mar 2017 #18
Here's a guide to developing film. alfredo Mar 2017 #23
I cannot stand to use metal reels jmowreader Mar 2017 #24
I only used 35mm. I didn't take the film out of the cassette. alfredo Mar 2017 #25
Beer! Is there anything it can't do? Initech Mar 2017 #19
Play the piano alfredo Mar 2017 #21
Very useful info! struggle4progress Mar 2017 #20
And just in time. :) alfredo Mar 2017 #22
Film? What's that? regnaD kciN Mar 2017 #26
Film is what forms on top of pudding. alfredo Mar 2017 #27
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