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15. This gets to a fundamental disagreement

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:56 AM

Jul 2015

If, as the Naumann report says, civilian deaths were an inevitable result (especially given Hamas tactics that would place civilians in line of fire) of Israel choosing to use military force in Gaza to prevent rocket and tunnel attacks, this leaves the question: is that choice itself criminal by definition?

The argument about whether the ratio of civilian to militant deaths might have been somewhat higher if fewer precautions had been taken or lower if more were taken is secondary.

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Col. Kemp tells UNHRC it’s become “tool of Hamas’ murderous strategy” [View all] shira Jun 2015 OP

Colonel Kemp is an unforgettable orator. He's both fascinating and eloquent. grossproffit Jun 2015 #1

He's awesome. It's sad these days to call someone awesome... shira Jun 2015 #2

This so much makes me long for asturias31 Jul 2015 #3

Who's the tool here? Little Tich Jul 2015 #4

Hamas deliberately stored & fired rockets from schools, mosques, hospitals... shira Jul 2015 #5

I trust the UN report. Little Tich Jul 2015 #6

Kemp is an arm chair exmilitary man who quarterbacked OCL and Protective Edge from his azurnoir Jul 2015 #7

I just found Richard Kemp's Twitter page. Interesting... Little Tich Jul 2015 #8

Bet he's gave Bibi's latest video 2 thumbs up :) azurnoir Jul 2015 #10

As you can see in #11-12 below, it's not just Kemp. Good luck trashing.... shira Jul 2015 #13

Military much like law enforcment rarely testify against each other azurnoir Jul 2015 #17

Neither the UN or major NGO's used any military experts in their analysis shira Jul 2015 #31

well that's your opinion isn't it? However it's not shared by all nor is it fact azurnoir Jul 2015 #32

Analyzing a military operation w/o military experts may be legit to you.... shira Jul 2015 #33

were 'experts' actually present in Gaza observing or were they observing from their armchairs? azurnoir Jul 2015 #34

The UN supports & enables Hamas' war crimes against its own people... shira Jul 2015 #9

U.S. General Tells U.N. Council Why its Gaza Report is Flawed shira Jul 2015 #11

the ad-hoc High Level International Military Group is like a team of elders from the Dark Side. Little Tich Jul 2015 #14

My guess, UN, HRW, Amnesty, B'Tselem and BtS are liars Telcontar Jul 2015 #25

What agenda might that be? n/t Little Tich Jul 2015 #26

Anti-Israel, pro-Hamas. NGO's are lying their asses off... shira Jul 2015 #27

Your guess is correct. Here's Ken Roth of HRW contradicting himself on twitter shira Jul 2015 #29

At least we agree - one side is lying through their teeth. shira Jul 2015 #28

Group led by most senior officer in NATO (Klaus Naumann) on Hamas.... shira Jul 2015 #12

This gets to a fundamental disagreement 6chars Jul 2015 #15

How can it be criminal to asturias31 Jul 2015 #16

Human-shielding doesn't work if Israel is willing to kill the human shields oberliner Jul 2015 #18

Human shielding works beautifully no matter who dies! asturias31 Jul 2015 #19

The PR benefit to Hamas can only work if the MSM, NGO's & UN.... shira Jul 2015 #36

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And now a word from Reality land: guillaumeb Jul 2015 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jul 2015 #21

Some clarification is needed: guillaumeb Jul 2015 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jul 2015 #23

Further clarification: guillaumeb Jul 2015 #24

Israel took out a 12 story apartment building because Hamas had an office there no rockets azurnoir Jul 2015 #30

You're wrong about Gaza being so densely populated shira Jul 2015 #35

One of us is indeed incorrect here: guillaumeb Jul 2015 #40

The map shows a lot of empty space in Gaza for Hamas to operate shira Jul 2015 #41

So can one infer from your various arguments that the IDF, and by extension guillaumeb Jul 2015 #42

Your human-shielding comparison is ridiculous shira Jul 2015 #43

The Media’s Role in Hamas’ War Strategy shira Jul 2015 #37

Gaza reporters' tweets: Hamas using Human shields shira Jul 2015 #38