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Scootaloo

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5. The entire article is a diversionary tactic, Mosby
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 03:34 AM
Sep 2012

it starts off with an actual antisemitic comment, by Sheikh Adel Bin Ahmad - flat-out holocaust denial. Alright, so far everyone's on the same page (except perhaps for the Sheikh, but I doubt he's a reader. Call it a hunch.)

Steve Apfel then tries some rhetorical judo, to take Ahmad's complaint, and use it to smear a whole list of people who are, - as this very article makes clear - quite right in pointing out that for some people, screaming "antisemitism!" is a reflexive, nonsensical defense.

He also thinks Louis Farrakhan founded the Nation of Islam. So right now, I can tell we're dealing with someone who wishes he had the intellectual weight of Daniel Pipes.

But notice the card they all play, the bad Jew card, depicting a crafty and loathsome character. The Jew, we’re led to believe, is intolerant, devious, cowardly, not very bright and short of facts. Denigrators of Israel, on the other hand, supposedly have truth on their side.


Note that nobody he quoted actually levied this accusation against Jews. With the exception of mr. Farrakhan, "the Jew" - Apfel's turn of phrase - is not mentioned, and even Farrakhan does not give the characterization to "the Jew" that Apfel describes. That is all coming from Steve Apfel, not anyone he's quoting. Israel is mentioned, but even a basic understanding of reality should be able to tell you that "Israel" does not equal "The Jews" - and anyone who believes otherwise is wading hip-deep in the sea of actual antisemitism.

So we’re presented with a new kind of Jew, quite different in make-up to the tribe known, indeed often despised, for its argumentative ways. Jews are nothing if not divisive. One might even say that God encrypted a hypercritical gene into His chosen people.

Really. Can we get a few Pollack jokes next?

“How to shut your critics up with a single word,” complained Fisk, all the while bent on shutting up his critics before they close on his trail of falsifications and frauds.


Of course we have by now realized that mr. Apfel is doing exactly what Fisk is accusing. he's swinging that word, "antisemite" around like a dead cat, trying hard to make people shut up. This probably isn't the best tactic to use to refute Robert Fisk's point, but the regular reader of "The Times of Israel" seems to be the sort of person who is easily confused, so I doubt they notice this.

They cry foul the moment someone tackles their records of Israel demonization and anti-Jewish bias.


I failed to see any tackling going on by mr. Apfel. perhaps that's because, like the average Israel Supporter, he's not in the field, or even in the stadium, he's the slob watching it all the day after on TiVo.

“Whatever I, or my Palestinians, are guilty of, I’ll make the Jews guilty of that same thing.”


Now here's the funny thing. Let's go back up to mr. Apfel's own, personally-derived characterization of "The Jews," a view one presumes to be shared by any who would feel obligated to repost the fellow's articles.
a crafty and loathsome character. The Jew, we’re led to believe, is intolerant, devious, cowardly, not very bright and short of facts.

Note of course, the irony; The only one in the article who is accusing someone of being "crafty and loathsome, intolerant, devious, cowardly, not very bright, and short of facts" Is Mr. Apfel.

Like I said, it's an attempt at rhetorical judo.

So was Clint Eastwood and his chair.

Clint's probably better at it.

Also, "my Palestinians"? What the fuck?

AND THAT IS HOW ANTI-SEMITES PLAY THE GAME


All-caps because that makes visual medium louder, I suppose.

Mr. Apfel's whole "thing" here is to accuse people of antisemitism, because those people point out that Israel supporters use the term reflexively as the centerpiece of whatever argument they try to make. In so doing, he's actually proving their claims for them.

And in the process, he gives that delightful characterization of "The Jews" which, along with the crux of his thesis - "Israel = Jews = Israel" - just cements my opinion that actual, real-life antisemitism is the cornerstone of most "Israel supporters."

I could also raise some questions about An Apartheid-era military man from Johannesburg who served as a District officer in Rhodesia, having a goddamned thing to say about Desmond Tutu... But, given the first comment on hte article, and considering who's presenting it to us here, I think I can spare myself the effort.
Where are you going with this? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #1
care to comment on the article? Mosby Sep 2012 #2
He just did azurnoir Sep 2012 #3
The entire article is a diversionary tactic, Mosby Scootaloo Sep 2012 #5
At least you agree the Sheikh's comment is antisemitic... shira Sep 2012 #7
Well, golly, Shira... Scootaloo Sep 2012 #18
So since you believe that "of course holocaust denial is antisemitic".... shira Sep 2012 #21
As far as I know, they exist primarily in your head Scootaloo Sep 2012 #36
You're making Steve Apfel's argument for him... shira Sep 2012 #38
after reading your comment about Apfel I did some looking around azurnoir Sep 2012 #49
"Where are you going with this" is considered a diversionary tactic? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #10
your focus on a "talkback" to the article Mosby Sep 2012 #14
No, my question was a legitimate one; regardless of how you wish to discredit it. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #16
So what's your take on the actual content of the article? shira Sep 2012 #22
I did a little reading on him today. He seems to have a simmilar shtick. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #29
Okay, who are those well-known racists you agree are anti-Semites? n/t shira Sep 2012 #39
I got a good laugh out of that, after reading the article. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #4
Where do you think I'm going? You think the OP is wrong? shira Sep 2012 #6
Again, I ask you where you are going with this? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #9
Not going anywhere with it. I agree with the OP. n/t shira Sep 2012 #11
Thank you so very much n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #13
You're very welcome. n/t shira Sep 2012 #24
So you have nothing additional to add? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #17
What do you want me to say? IMHO, the pro-Palestinian movement.... shira Sep 2012 #23
You needn't waist my time. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #30
You asked. n/t shira Sep 2012 #41
The journey is the reward. bemildred Sep 2012 #8
After reading the article . . Bradlad Sep 2012 #12
Thank you for sharing your views. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #27
second comment "In America, anti-Semites use four simple words. "Hey, I'm a democrat". azurnoir Sep 2012 #15
Well, Shira's been on a three-month bender Scootaloo Sep 2012 #19
well I dunno about bender however there seems to be a running theme here azurnoir Sep 2012 #20
That argument is such an easy out for you, isn't it? shira Sep 2012 #26
"Marxist, anarchist"? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #31
You're still doing it. You can't admit that a small part of the Left... shira Sep 2012 #40
Free Republic ? King_David Sep 2012 #28
Posted by Shira, no less n/t Scootaloo Sep 2012 #32
You're the one bringing FreeRepublic up, not me. shira Sep 2012 #42
Nope King_David Sep 2012 #45
Waitaminute. Since I agree with the OP.... shira Sep 2012 #25
Who was that journalist you and I talked about not too long ago? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #33
maybe it was Glenn Greenwald? azurnoir Sep 2012 #34
That's not the thread... Scootaloo Sep 2012 #37
Neve Gordon, who compares Israel to Nazi Germany... shira Sep 2012 #43
You compare Jews to Nazis... Scootaloo Sep 2012 #46
The EU working definition of antisemitism states... shira Sep 2012 #47
ah so I guess according to you it's okay azurnoir Sep 2012 #48
In all fairness the post about Democrats was made after you posted the article however azurnoir Sep 2012 #35
I didn't see that foul comment when I posted. n/t shira Sep 2012 #44
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