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azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
49. after reading your comment about Apfel I did some looking around
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:10 PM
Sep 2012

seems some of his 'best' work has been missed

CHRISTIANS WHO PUNT FOR THEIR PERSECUTORS

In the West meanwhile irate churchmen compete with secular activists to bring Israeli leaders to book for the type of crimes committed by maniacal tyrants and Apartheid architects. Asserts the Archbishop Emeritus Tutu: ‘Israel does ‘things that even Apartheid South Africa had not done.’ The Presbyterian Church of America, helping Tutu’s claim go down, alludes to what those things might be, though what they actually are remains up the Church’s sleeve. It – Israel commits ‘horrific acts of violence and deadly attacks on innocent people.’ If you want the Presbyterians to be specific you are there and then booked into the Zionist camp. These Presbyterians are worth more than a minute of our time. For one thing they blame Jews for getting blown up by suicide bombers. ‘Occupation is the root of terrorism.’ The root of terrorism outside of Israel, where the suicide bombing tally would be in six figures, is different, and we are not surprised; the dead are Christians and Muslims, not Jews. But we don’t ask the Presbyterians about that; Occupation accounts for Jewish dead. Point out that Arabs murdered Israelis before they occupied anything – before they had a state to call Israel – and you’ll be met with a dry look. Point to the genocide laced charter document of Hamas and you’ll raise a chuckle. And you dare not tackle the Presbyterians, or Christian Aid, on their resolve to obliterate Israel by moving refugees around: (We insist) on ‘the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homeland.’ Ah – where subterfuge treads irony follows hard on its heels. Who are these refugees but Arabs living in countries where Christians are fair game; where religious cleansing has all but wiped out Christendom’s ancient footprint. Don’t ask the Presbyterians to join the dots: (a) the free-for-all cleaning out of their brothers in Christ and (b) Palestinian refugees who have witnessed if not taken part in that religious cleansing. Remember who holds the exclusive Victim rights. If the rights holder proved to be a persecutor it would harm the brand irreparably.

Are there no Christians willing to blow the whistle? To be sure there have been stirrings that augured well. In March 2012 theBethlehemBibleCollegeheld the largest Christian conference in theMiddle East. Our ears prick. The plight of Christians in the region was the main agenda item surely. But no – evangelicals from all parts of the world gathered not to defend their faith but to promote a new Muslim state. They came to support ‘a just solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict,’ a code easily cracked by looking not at the meaning of the words, but at what the words mean. To the Russell Tribunal they meant finding Israel guilty of Apartheid crimes; to the ‘Christ at the Check Point’ (CATC) conference ‘finding a just solution’ is the code for supporting the Palestinian bid for statehood, peace with Israel be damned. In supporting the bid CATC participants attacked their brothers – Christian Zionist groups that supportIsraelout of a belief that the return of Jews to theHoly Landis a condition for the return of the Messiah, and final redemption. They denounced Christian Zionism as ‘an exclusive theology of the land that marginalizes and disenfranchises the indigenous people;’ quite at odds with their in-flavour theology that God’s promises toIsraelare null and void. After that it was the turn of the Jews. Participants heard that Israelis have no connection to the people of the bible. Mitri Raheb, a pastor of the Evangelical Lutheran Christmas Church in Bethlehem, denied the connection between modern Jews and those of the Bible: ‘I’m sure (he said) if we were to do a DNA test between David, Jesus and I Mitri, born just across the street from where Jesus was born…the DNA will show that there is a trace. While, if you put King David, Jesus and Netanyahu (together) you will get nothing, because Netanyahu comes from an East European tribe who converted to Judaism in the Middle Ages.’ An architect of that first CATC was cleric Stephen Sizer, the vicar who on a trip toTehranmade a defense of Ahmadinejad’s Holocaust denial.

http://stevenapfel.wordpress.com/

it is a windy broad brushing affair but that's not all scroll down a bit and he's going on about the state of affairs in South Africa these days and how ANC members get all the best jobs, guess he misses the good ole days or something

Where are you going with this? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #1
care to comment on the article? Mosby Sep 2012 #2
He just did azurnoir Sep 2012 #3
The entire article is a diversionary tactic, Mosby Scootaloo Sep 2012 #5
At least you agree the Sheikh's comment is antisemitic... shira Sep 2012 #7
Well, golly, Shira... Scootaloo Sep 2012 #18
So since you believe that "of course holocaust denial is antisemitic".... shira Sep 2012 #21
As far as I know, they exist primarily in your head Scootaloo Sep 2012 #36
You're making Steve Apfel's argument for him... shira Sep 2012 #38
after reading your comment about Apfel I did some looking around azurnoir Sep 2012 #49
"Where are you going with this" is considered a diversionary tactic? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #10
your focus on a "talkback" to the article Mosby Sep 2012 #14
No, my question was a legitimate one; regardless of how you wish to discredit it. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #16
So what's your take on the actual content of the article? shira Sep 2012 #22
I did a little reading on him today. He seems to have a simmilar shtick. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #29
Okay, who are those well-known racists you agree are anti-Semites? n/t shira Sep 2012 #39
I got a good laugh out of that, after reading the article. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #4
Where do you think I'm going? You think the OP is wrong? shira Sep 2012 #6
Again, I ask you where you are going with this? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #9
Not going anywhere with it. I agree with the OP. n/t shira Sep 2012 #11
Thank you so very much n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #13
You're very welcome. n/t shira Sep 2012 #24
So you have nothing additional to add? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #17
What do you want me to say? IMHO, the pro-Palestinian movement.... shira Sep 2012 #23
You needn't waist my time. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #30
You asked. n/t shira Sep 2012 #41
The journey is the reward. bemildred Sep 2012 #8
After reading the article . . Bradlad Sep 2012 #12
Thank you for sharing your views. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #27
second comment "In America, anti-Semites use four simple words. "Hey, I'm a democrat". azurnoir Sep 2012 #15
Well, Shira's been on a three-month bender Scootaloo Sep 2012 #19
well I dunno about bender however there seems to be a running theme here azurnoir Sep 2012 #20
That argument is such an easy out for you, isn't it? shira Sep 2012 #26
"Marxist, anarchist"? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #31
You're still doing it. You can't admit that a small part of the Left... shira Sep 2012 #40
Free Republic ? King_David Sep 2012 #28
Posted by Shira, no less n/t Scootaloo Sep 2012 #32
You're the one bringing FreeRepublic up, not me. shira Sep 2012 #42
Nope King_David Sep 2012 #45
Waitaminute. Since I agree with the OP.... shira Sep 2012 #25
Who was that journalist you and I talked about not too long ago? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #33
maybe it was Glenn Greenwald? azurnoir Sep 2012 #34
That's not the thread... Scootaloo Sep 2012 #37
Neve Gordon, who compares Israel to Nazi Germany... shira Sep 2012 #43
You compare Jews to Nazis... Scootaloo Sep 2012 #46
The EU working definition of antisemitism states... shira Sep 2012 #47
ah so I guess according to you it's okay azurnoir Sep 2012 #48
In all fairness the post about Democrats was made after you posted the article however azurnoir Sep 2012 #35
I didn't see that foul comment when I posted. n/t shira Sep 2012 #44
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