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In reply to the discussion: Israel’s jihad is mine [View all]R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)15. "but compromise they must if there is to be peace."
So your argument is that Israel takes what they want (security zones, settlements, outposts), defines the terms (what the Palestinians can do within their own borders), and the Palestinian have to compromise with that.
Perhaps Israel should instead of taking others people's land (i.e. the west bank) then act surprised when fight back, should instead accept the UN resolutions piling up against it and remove the illegal settlements/settlers and accept international law.
I find it remarkable that your fevered logic could be applied to a robber entering another's house, taking property, assaulting the home owners: only to tell the victims that they have to now compromise to get back what is rightfully theirs.
I'm not sure that I can honestly buy your statement that "To answer you further, I never claimed the WB doesn't belong to the Palestinians" when you also contend that "It's just as much part of the Jewish homeland as it is the Palestinians'. Since when did Palestinians have exclusive rights to the W.Bank?" http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=27900
To go on an then try to argue that " I've repeatedly stated they do not have exclusive rights to the land as the land is disputed." is just a lazy argument best suited for colonistas. The "land is disputed" by those that wish to continue the theft and deny a Palestinian state.
Some here on I/P call Israel the "Jewish State" so why is it that there is a movement to believe that they are now entitled to more? Israel really needs to clean this mess up of their own creation and remove all the settlers.
I know it is a painful thing to read my friend, but this belligerent colonialism that Israel is practicing on another group of people. To argue that Israel has a claim to parts of the West Bank is no less militaristic/colonial than The Soviet Union claiming half of Europe post WWII, Germany claiming the Sudetenland or Iraq claiming Kuwait.
So you can go on, if you wish, and look for phantom hard lefties under your bed, but what will probably be starring back at you is your own hypocrisy.
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"They prefer the extremely fanatical, rightwing warmongering totalitarian Islamists
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jan 2013
#3
The doctor makes some very valid points which should be lauded, but since I am not one of the
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jan 2013
#5
Hebron's home to the most extreme and violent settlers who terrorise Palestinians...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#21
Even if there's a few who aren't, why should we ignore the vast majority who are?
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#74
This dehumanization of yours, ie., racists, colonialists, apartheidists, thieves...
shira
Jan 2013
#16
Violet, you deny there's a Jewish nation (people) so are you an extreme hatemonger/bigot?
shira
Jan 2013
#43
You falsely claimed that I deny the existance of Jews as a people. You need to apologise...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#56
Wrong. I've done nothing of the sort. I don't believe anything of the sort.
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#64
That's not what was written. You would know it if you would settle down
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jan 2013
#69
I do applaud you, my friend, for scouring the internets to find such a fine example
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jan 2013
#35
"I think it's funny that anything sourced from there would be deemed 'the truth'."
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jan 2013
#67
If you wish to rebut the wik with something more reliable than M&F.org
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jan 2013
#66
Are you for real? Yr now going to deny that someone who denies the Palestinians are a people is RW?
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#46
Uh, the guy's a fucking bigoted RW piece of crap. So sorry if that offends you...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#50
And that guy makes the same argument you do WRT an ethnicity seeing itself as a people.
shira
Jan 2013
#52
*sigh* What part of what I've said isn't sinking in? I do NOT deny the existence of Jews...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#55
My poor misguided friend. They're not dehumanizations when they aparently are true.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jan 2013
#68
LW Israeli Jews don't make broadbrush comments about Jews the way she does about Muslims.
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#19
This has something to do with the general savagery of people in those days, not with Jews.
LeftishBrit
Jan 2013
#70