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Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: Israel’s jihad is mine [View all]My notes:
1. "in Palestine" - but Israel refuses to recognize the existence of Palestine, even now.
Palestine was a geographical area. Not a nation. Do you understand there never existed a sovereign Palestinian nation?
2. "it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine" - in other words, according as this declaration Palestinian refugees have a RoR. Palestinians in general shall have the same rights as Jews, and vice-versa, including of course the right to relocate within Palestine, the right to leave and return, etc.
Your opinion doesn't logically follow the Balfour text. The Balfour text actually didn't appropriate political rights to non-Jews. RoR isn't even mentioned here. The best you have on RoR is a UNGA non-binding resolution calling on refugees (Jewish ones too) who must come back peacefully. What percentage want to come back peacefully? Do you know?
3. The creation of Israel, and the immediate "settlement" project, directly contradicts the Balfour Declaration. In particular, the exclusivity of the settlements, the system of apartheid roads and highways, the military occupation of the so-called "disputed zones" ("Judea" and "Samaria" including the forced displacement of the non-Jewish populations, esp. in area C, the forced displacement of the Bedoin population in the Negev, etc., the displacement and disenfranchisement of the Palestinian refugees, and not least of all the fact that the non-Jewish population of Israel is 2nd class, since it is emphasized over and over that it is not their "state"
Now you're just going based on your misunderstandings from points 1 and 2 above.
In other words, you've got a LONG way to go to convince anybody but an absolute idiot that the Balfour Declaration justifies Israel's continued settlement project.
No amount of evidence will persuade those whose minds are permanently made up.
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"They prefer the extremely fanatical, rightwing warmongering totalitarian Islamists
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jan 2013
#3
The doctor makes some very valid points which should be lauded, but since I am not one of the
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jan 2013
#5
Hebron's home to the most extreme and violent settlers who terrorise Palestinians...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#21
Even if there's a few who aren't, why should we ignore the vast majority who are?
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#74
This dehumanization of yours, ie., racists, colonialists, apartheidists, thieves...
shira
Jan 2013
#16
Violet, you deny there's a Jewish nation (people) so are you an extreme hatemonger/bigot?
shira
Jan 2013
#43
You falsely claimed that I deny the existance of Jews as a people. You need to apologise...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#56
Wrong. I've done nothing of the sort. I don't believe anything of the sort.
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#64
That's not what was written. You would know it if you would settle down
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jan 2013
#69
I do applaud you, my friend, for scouring the internets to find such a fine example
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jan 2013
#35
"I think it's funny that anything sourced from there would be deemed 'the truth'."
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jan 2013
#67
If you wish to rebut the wik with something more reliable than M&F.org
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jan 2013
#66
Are you for real? Yr now going to deny that someone who denies the Palestinians are a people is RW?
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#46
Uh, the guy's a fucking bigoted RW piece of crap. So sorry if that offends you...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#50
And that guy makes the same argument you do WRT an ethnicity seeing itself as a people.
shira
Jan 2013
#52
*sigh* What part of what I've said isn't sinking in? I do NOT deny the existence of Jews...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#55
My poor misguided friend. They're not dehumanizations when they aparently are true.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jan 2013
#68
LW Israeli Jews don't make broadbrush comments about Jews the way she does about Muslims.
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#19
This has something to do with the general savagery of people in those days, not with Jews.
LeftishBrit
Jan 2013
#70