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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
58. I oppose Israeli policy towards Palestinians and am also critical of Hamas.
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 10:37 AM
Aug 2014

Last edited Tue Aug 26, 2014, 12:30 PM - Edit history (2)

One thing is, for all the "anti-Israel" bias talk, the fact of the matter is, most Americans, even liberals, can't help but see the conflict more easily from the side of the Israelis than the Palestinians. Israel is a western-style Democracy, Israelis are similar to Americans in a lot of ways. I've met many Israelis, and zero Palestinians.

Mondoweiss, which I still know little about, seems to be written mostly by American and possibly Israeli Jews. The articles that get posted in this forum seem to be mostly Israelis and Americans arguing with each other (not Israelis versus Americans, but Israelis/Americans who support Israeli policy towards Palestinians versus Israelis/Americans that oppose it).

Americans are mostly Christian, with much closer ties to Judaism than to Islam. In fact, being an Arab Muslim, what most Palestinians are, is probably the most looked-down upon group in America at large. In the US media, there are far more Jewish voices than Muslim ones. There are also far more Israelis than Palestinians that make appearances, even on MSNBC -- a point made recently by a Palestinian woman who was then dropped as an MSNBC correspondent.

So the entire debate takes place with a background that heavily disfavors the Palestinian point of view.

Are there circumstances where a liberal could be in favor of military action? Sure. I think most liberals think, for example, that there should have been intervention to prevent the Rwandan Genocide.

The Volokh Conspiracy Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #1
I guess at least he's an American and a Zionist King_David Aug 2014 #2
A non-liberal's point of view..that is Bernstein..yes. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #3
Not exactly non liberal. Also the author of : King_David Aug 2014 #4
Sure thing..the totality of his work if available for anyone to read..good luck. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #6
Lerman is an AntiZionist and now talking for Liberal Zionists King_David Aug 2014 #8
According to you and your OP is not helping your cause to be persuasive, it only helps Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #9
Jewish liberal Zionist youth movements King_David Aug 2014 #13
You better hope they multiple before any peace deal is finalized, as the youth vote in the US Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #15
Your like a Nostradamus ? King_David Aug 2014 #16
Read the polls, or ignore them. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #21
Here's a liberal , King_David Aug 2014 #19
Volokh is more complex than liberal/conservative Shivering Jemmy Aug 2014 #11
One can research Bernstein's work, their conclusions he is liberal minded would be a fantasy. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #12
I did King_David Aug 2014 #17
Keep solace for that and ignore the totality of his work, that's the ticket. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #18
Question: can you be a liberal and support policies that result in the death intaglio Aug 2014 #5
What's that got to do with Liberal Zionism? King_David Aug 2014 #7
Pointing out that liberal Zionists must deplore the actions of Israel intaglio Aug 2014 #10
OK I'll pass on your directive. King_David Aug 2014 #14
Why? leftynyc Aug 2014 #20
Many liberal Zionists oppose the current actions in Gaza oberliner Aug 2014 #22
That's not what I'm talking about leftynyc Aug 2014 #23
I hear ya oberliner Aug 2014 #24
But leave it to DU leftynyc Aug 2014 #25
As far as Israel is concerned it doesn't even represent the majority of Democratic Party supporters King_David Aug 2014 #26
I point that out time and time again leftynyc Aug 2014 #27
In general, I think DU is mostly more liberal than the average Democrat. DanTex Aug 2014 #32
You think DU is more liberal? leftynyc Aug 2014 #34
Yes, more liberal. Some here are the "far left". Some here are just "liberal Democrats". DanTex Aug 2014 #36
How much do you know about Mondoweiss? oberliner Aug 2014 #37
Almost nothing. I'm a newcomer. DanTex Aug 2014 #39
Fair enough oberliner Aug 2014 #40
I oppose Israeli policy towards Palestinians and am also critical of Hamas. DanTex Aug 2014 #58
Covering Hamas and Palestinian Society: A Response to Peter Beinart ( Mondoweiss ) Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #41
I let people define themselves leftynyc Aug 2014 #38
is Obama a liberal? Mosby Aug 2014 #30
Of course. Shaktimaan Aug 2014 #49
Israel poll from Pew ResearchCenter for the People & the Press azurnoir Aug 2014 #28
What would your poll responses be? oberliner Aug 2014 #29
Even liberals couldn't muster more than 30% leftynyc Aug 2014 #35
Was there a "liberals" catagory I missed? azurnoir Aug 2014 #72
Yes - about 2/3 the way down the page leftynyc Aug 2014 #75
There was a mention of Liberal Democrats on that subject here is the excerpt azurnoir Aug 2014 #77
Those are different subjects leftynyc Aug 2014 #80
Another day, another right-wing source... DanTex Aug 2014 #31
Yep. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #33
Washington post ?I think it's far better than the Modoweiss nonsense usually posted King_David Aug 2014 #42
I'm talking about the Volokh Conspiracy and David Bernstein. DanTex Aug 2014 #43
Good imagination, King_David Aug 2014 #44
Here's a liberal author for you, King_David Aug 2014 #45
"Author"? You mean a 20-year-old college kid... DanTex Aug 2014 #46
When u comparing views on Israel / Palestine King_David Aug 2014 #47
I wouldn't know, since I don't read much communist or extremist right-wing web sites. DanTex Aug 2014 #52
Well extremist sites keep on getting linked to here King_David Aug 2014 #53
Haven't seen a single example of that. DanTex Aug 2014 #56
You haven't been here too long King_David Aug 2014 #57
That's true. I only started peeking in about a week or so ago. DanTex Aug 2014 #60
"Don't play dumb" King_David Aug 2014 #63
I guess now we know how you respond when you can't answer. DanTex Aug 2014 #66
Does Hilary Clinton count as a right winger? oberliner Aug 2014 #48
What Bibi would give to have her in office right now. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #50
Both center-left in my opinion. DanTex Aug 2014 #51
Well as a Democratic Party supporter that's the reason I voted for them King_David Aug 2014 #54
Some people are one issue voters, like you're suggesting. Most people are not in that camp. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #55
The dude is going on and on as if it's not Democratic Party principles , King_David Aug 2014 #59
You're being less than direct with your responses to him, that much is clear. There are no Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #61
I never said to leave DU , or shouldn't be on DU , or not participate on DU etc King_David Aug 2014 #62
Nonsense, your suggestions were stated by you, not me..you own your words and their meaning. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #64
Hmm, so you agreed with Obama in '08 that gay marriage should not be recognized. DanTex Aug 2014 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author King_David Aug 2014 #67
I didn't agree with him then King_David Aug 2014 #68
So I guess you didn't vote for him in '08. Did you abstain? Vote Green? DanTex Aug 2014 #69
It's good you have an interest in gay affairs , King_David Aug 2014 #70
OK, so you don't want to answer the question of who you voted for in '08. I get it. DanTex Aug 2014 #71
Yep, you definitely get it. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #73
Since reaching voting age King_David Aug 2014 #74
So you voted for Obama in '08 even though he opposed gay marriage. OK then... DanTex Aug 2014 #76
You like asking personal questions , King_David Aug 2014 #78
Right, because "why did you vote for Obama despite his opposition to gay marriage" is so personal... DanTex Aug 2014 #79
Thanks for the insight King_David Aug 2014 #84
Supporting Israel's right to exist equals Zionism? 3rdwaydem Aug 2014 #81
What else would it mean? aranthus Aug 2014 #82
That Definition would include elements of Jewish Supremacy as well as... 3rdwaydem Aug 2014 #83
Code for anti semitism? Shaktimaan Aug 2014 #85
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