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azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
7. yes the Tantura affaire' is rather interesting
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:35 PM
Apr 2012

as it is known that a mere 70-75 Arabs were killed prior to the village being 'evacuated' no massacre there
more

Tantura was part of an Arab enclave cutting off the road from Tel Aviv to Haifa.[16] On May 9, 1948, a decision was made to "expel or subdue" the villages of Kafr Saba, al-Tira, Qaqun, Qalansuwa and Tantura.[31] On May 11, David Ben-Gurion advised the Haganah to "focus on its primary task", which according to Ilan Pappe was the bi'ur (lit. cleansing) of Palestine.[32] According to Tiroshi Eitan, Tantura was ready to surrender in early May but not to relinquish its arms.[33] The Alexandroni Brigade launched an attack on Tantura under cover of darkness without waiting for the village to surrender.
Operation Namal

The British were in control of the Haifa port area until April 23, 1948.[34] The rest of the city fell to the Carmeli Brigade of the Haganah commanded by Moshe Carmel in Operation Misparayim. After the fall of Haifa, Arab villages on the slopes of Mount Carmel began attacking Jewish traffic on the main road to Haifa. The task of the Alexandroni Brigade was to reduce the Mount Carmel pocket. Tantura was chosen as the starting point for this operation, codenamed Namal, which took place on the night of May 22–23.[35] That night, Tantura was attacked and occupied by the Brigade's 33rd battalion. The attack commenced with heavy machine gun fire, followed by an infantry attack from all landwards sides with an Israeli naval vessel blocking off any chance of escape to the sea. By 800hrs on May 23, the battle was over, encountering little resistance.[36] According to an unsigned Haganah report, dozens of villagers were killed and 500 were taken prisoner (300 adult males and 200 women and children).[37]

Most of the villagers fled to the nearby town of Fureidis and territory controlled by the Arab League in the Triangle region near to what was to become the Green Line.[25] Women prisoners were taken to Fureidis.[38] On May 31, 1948, Bechor Shitrit, Minister of Minority Affairs of the Provisional government of Israel, sought permission to evict the Tantura women from Fureidis due to overcrowding, lack of sanitation and the risk of information being passed to unconquered villages.[39] A Ministry official, Ya'akov Epstein of Zikhron Ya'akov, who visited Tantura shortly after the operation, reported seeing bodies, but said nothing of a massacre. In 1998, Yihiya Yihiya published a book on Tantura recording the names of 52 dead.[40] The occupation of the village was followed by looting. Some of the items recovered by the Haganah included 'one carpet, one gramophone ... one basket with cucumbers ... one goat'.[41] The male prisoners of war were held on the beach before being transferred to Zichron Ya'akov police station[38] and put into labour battalions.[42]

In 1964, the IDF released an official history of "The Alexandroni Brigade in the War of Independence" in which 11 pages were devoted to al-Tantura. There was no mention of any expulsion. In 2004, Alexandroni veterans acknowledged the forced expulsion.[43]

This page was last modified on 16 April 2012 at 20:15.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantura#Operation_Namal

resource cited as 43 above

http://www.ee.bgu.ac.il/~censor/katz-directory/04-02-06morris-the-jerusalem-report-tantura.pdf

If he were PM, he would have destroyed Israel, so it would be a moot point. Behind the Aegis Apr 2012 #1
Oh, those evil Jews. What would we do without the ARABNEWS? aquart Apr 2012 #2
I am pretty sure I have no idea what any component of your response means oberliner Apr 2012 #4
Pappe is rarely heard let alone listened to outside of his anti-Israel circles ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #5
He is heard here from time to time oberliner May 2012 #24
He has his cult following. n/t shira May 2012 #31
It means that you're a Jew-killer now... shaayecanaan Apr 2012 #6
Who is 'trying to think of more ways to get Jews killed'? LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #10
Pappe defended Teddy Katz's fabrication of a 1948 massacre that never was... shira Apr 2012 #3
yes the Tantura affaire' is rather interesting azurnoir Apr 2012 #7
and did you know that some people call Tel Aviv the capital of Israel? shaayecanaan Apr 2012 #8
The Guardian claims Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel. Do you agree with that 'fact'? n/t shira Apr 2012 #11
Holy fucking Jesus. Do they really? shaayecanaan Apr 2012 #13
It comes down to credibility. WRT facts, Guardian reporting can't be trusted... shira Apr 2012 #14
ah 10 years can indeed blur the memory can't it? azurnoir May 2012 #15
But you didn't comment on the article. Here it is again... shira May 2012 #23
yes I did comment on what happened in Jenin apparently you did not 'pick up' on azurnoir May 2012 #25
No, no, no. The article isn't just about Jenin but how it was reported... shira May 2012 #29
The Guardian's reporting of Jenin differed little from anyone elses including IDF radio azurnoir May 2012 #30
I don't think you read the article. It's not about what the Guardian originally.... shira May 2012 #32
yes I did read Myrrh's article n/t azurnoir May 2012 #34
It is and there's no good reason to say otherwise. Ken Burch May 2012 #16
It is? oberliner May 2012 #17
Why does it matter? Ken Burch May 2012 #18
You tell me oberliner May 2012 #20
Look, Jerusalem is the effective capital Ken Burch May 2012 #21
Please stop with the straw man arguments... shira May 2012 #33
Edinburgh isn't actually in "England"...it's in Scotland. Ken Burch May 2012 #37
actually Edinburgh is the capital of Scotland azurnoir May 2012 #38
You're right of course. Ken Burch May 2012 #39
You still don't get it or pretend not to... shira May 2012 #40
It has no practical effect. Ken Burch May 2012 #41
Because it's one of many deliberate lies WRT Israel. Don't you expect... shira May 2012 #26
Katz lied. Pappe still supports Katz's crap. And not every battle of every war... shira Apr 2012 #12
Did you read Benny Morris's piece in the PDF? azurnoir May 2012 #22
Katz didn't just quote a dishonest 'witness'. He fabricated witness testimony. shira May 2012 #27
so your saying that Katz only interviewed that one person? azurnoir May 2012 #28
Was this translated from Persian? oberliner May 2012 #35
well at least you got my point azurnoir May 2012 #36
I'm glad we all still have a sense of humor oberliner May 2012 #42
He'll easily get elected PM of Israel on that platform! LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #9
I doubt Pappe was ever planning to try to become pm. Ken Burch May 2012 #19
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