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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
56. That's not answering the question.
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 01:57 AM
Mar 2012

And maybe you shouldn't have access to gasoline because you might kill 87 people with it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

I'd also note that oh-so-wise lawmakers of California find the following firearms and cartridges perfectly acceptable for use in the Golden State.
Most of them are more accurate at long distances than the the .50 caliber. Seems the CA Legislature exhausted their supply of FUD, as none of these seem to
be any more of a problem than the .50s were:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.338_Lapua_Magnum

The .338 Lapua Magnum (8.6x70mm or 8.58x70mm) is a specialized rimless bottlenecked centerfire cartridge developed for military long-range sniper rifles. The Afghanistan War and Iraq War made it a combat-proven round with ready and substantial ammunition availability. The .338 Lapua is a dual-purpose anti-personnel and anti-materiel round...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C14_Timberwolf

The C14 Timberwolf MRSWS (Medium Range Sniper Weapon System) is a manually operated bolt action sniper rifle built by the Canadian arms company PGW Defence Technologies Inc. In 2005 they won the contract to supply the Canadian Forces Land Command with the C14 Timberwolf MRSWS for $4.5million.

The military version of the rifle, which is being used to replace the C3A1 sniper rifle, started as a civilian precision sport rifle. The military rifle however has several modifications to make it better suited for military use and many accessories are available.

The official military designation for the rifle is C14 Timberwolf Medium Range Sniper Weapon System (MRSWS)...


http://barrett.net/firearms/model98b

Thanks to its modular layout, this rifle can be adapted to fit each user’s exact needs. Its straight-line design, running from the muzzle to the shooter’s shoulder, tames recoil. It also allows for faster, more accurate follow-up shots fed from the 10-round detachable magazine. The ergonomic pistol grip reduces muscle fatigue and provides total control over the fully adjustable trigger. An intuitive, thumb-operated safety can be accessed without compromising the firing grip. This allows the shooter to maintain a solid weld to the adjustable cheek piece. The oversized bolt handle can be easily manipulated, feeding a fresh round into the chamber as the bolt silently glides through a polymer guide.
Model 98B

The Model 98B rifle’s aluminum upper receiver boasts an 18-inch M1913 optics rail, offering plenty of space to mount substantial optics as well as a night vision device or other accessories. The forward receiver is drilled and tapped for accessory rails to be mounted at the 3, 6 and 9 o’clock positions.

This impressive long-range weapon isn’t all work. Equipped with a rear monopod and forward bipod, it’s also a pleasure to shoot. From its highly efficient muzzle brake to its shooter-adaptable design and unprecedented performance, the 98B is ingenuity in action...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.416_Barrett

The Barrett .416 cartridge was designed by Chris Barrett, son of Ronnie Barrett. The bullet was designed using NACA low-supersonic-drag equations to design the shape.

The cartridge was designed as an improvement to the .50 BMG cartridge, a common machine-gun and rifle cartridge. It is similar to a wildcatted .50 BMG case, shortened to 3.27 inches (83.06 mm) and necked down to accept a .416 caliber, 400-grain (26 g) projectile; It is however of proprietary dimension. Because the two cartridges, the .50 BMG and .416 Barrett, have identical base dimensions, all that is needed to convert a rifle to use one or the other cartridge is a relatively quick barrel swap.

For some time, the only commercially-available rifle in this chambering was the single-shot Barrett Model 99. In August 2009, Zel Custom Manufacturing released the Tactilite .416 Barrett upper for AR-style rifles. Recently the Bohica Arms FAR-50 MK-II bolt-action, single-shot AR-15 upper receiver conversion became also available in .416 Barrett. Noreen rifles makes a rifle in .416 Barrett and other large calibers. Barrett now also chambers its semi-automatic M82A1 in .416 Barrett...

...A few jurisdictions in the United States, most notably California as well as a few nations such as Australia, Belgium, Italy and the Netherlands restrict or prohibit civilian ownership of rifles chambered to use the .50 BMG cartridge, but not the .416 Barrett...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_HS_.50

HS .460

...The rifle is also available in the proprietary .460 Steyr round, developed for markets where ownership of the .50 BMG by private citizens is banned, but .46 rounds are not, such as California. The .460 caliber version is known as the HS .460.


Why I'm not going to rejoin the NRA just yet. [View all] friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 OP
They're already in the tank for Rmoney... ellisonz Mar 2012 #1
I wrote them a letter and said they had to find a way to reach out socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #2
It doesn't matter how many letters you write... ellisonz Mar 2012 #3
Change has to begin somewhere... socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #4
Define "gun-friendly" in policy terms. ellisonz Mar 2012 #5
Simply meant as sports people and not anti-gun, that's all socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #7
One doesn't have to be "anti-gun" ellisonz Mar 2012 #8
All they are doing is protecting the second amendment. socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #11
They are not protecting the Second Amendment... ellisonz Mar 2012 #13
You are confused between the NRA and local laws socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #14
Rubbish. ellisonz Mar 2012 #16
Military guns have been collected for generations socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #25
I agree with the Supreme Court of the State of California... ellisonz Mar 2012 #26
An obvious projection - re-read the statement socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #27
Oh I have... ellisonz Mar 2012 #29
You wrote it - not me. It's there for all to see socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #32
The Cali S.C. is a bunch of ignorant political hacks. PavePusher Mar 2012 #34
I'm sure Jan Brewer and company agree with you... ellisonz Mar 2012 #35
Screw Brewer, she's got nothing to do with this. Stay on-topic. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #37
You insulted the Supreme Court of my home state... ellisonz Mar 2012 #38
They are ignorant on the technical aspects of firearms, basic math, ballistics, physics and logic. PavePusher Mar 2012 #39
Prove it... ellisonz Mar 2012 #40
So, how many crimes *have* been committed with .50 caliber rifles in California? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #52
This isn't a social science argument. ellisonz Mar 2012 #53
That's not answering the question. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #56
You're making a really good case for better gun control... ellisonz Mar 2012 #57
Why? Gun crime is on the decline- wait, I forgot... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #58
Ironically... ellisonz Mar 2012 #59
When has an enumerated right *ever* been held subordinate to an un-enumerated (and ill-defined) one? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #61
"A well-regulated Militia" - No member of SCOTUS denies that gun control is Constitutional... ellisonz Mar 2012 #62
"Legitimate law enforcement efforts" FOLLOW the Constitution. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #95
Mahalos. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #96
No, that argument can not be made. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #64
So you think that gun control has increased over the past 20 years? hack89 Mar 2012 #65
Not in any way, shape or form. PavePusher Mar 2012 #69
No, it's an empirical evidence argument, and you have none. PavePusher Mar 2012 #70
That's not how we make laws in this country. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #71
Heh, well played. PavePusher Mar 2012 #80
Mahalos ellisonz Mar 2012 #81
Great. Let's restrict the rights of vocal opponents to President Obama shadowrider Mar 2012 #82
I think you need a reality check. ellisonz Mar 2012 #83
I'm not advocating violence against anyone shadowrider Mar 2012 #84
The First Amendment of the United States Constitution is already restricted. ellisonz Mar 2012 #85
Would you restrict the 1A rights of people based on their political preference? shadowrider Mar 2012 #88
Hell no. ellisonz Mar 2012 #89
Well, my question is a simple one shadowrider Mar 2012 #90
Not all Amendments are identical in construct... ellisonz Mar 2012 #91
You and I disagree shadowrider Mar 2012 #92
Prove what? That crimes commited with .50 cal rifles are essentially non-existant? PavePusher Mar 2012 #68
But what if it was Democrats? Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #6
And you voted for the Republican... ellisonz Mar 2012 #9
It very well could socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #12
I said no such thing... ellisonz Mar 2012 #15
".50 cal rifles for all" Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #18
+1 Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #21
I agree with the Supreme Court of the State of California... ellisonz Mar 2012 #23
California Supreme Court... Clames Mar 2012 #30
I agree with that also. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #45
You also... ellisonz Mar 2012 #46
So does the Obama administration... mvccd1000 Mar 2012 #48
But that's okay- they're authority figures, dontcha know? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #51
Lets see here........................... oneshooter Mar 2012 #19
This isn't rocket science. ellisonz Mar 2012 #24
If it ain't rocket science then why do you keep avoiding the questions asked? oneshooter Mar 2012 #36
since MAIG is not a law enforcement agency gejohnston Mar 2012 #42
It is really strange that a person who claims to be so highly educated wants to avoid oneshooter Mar 2012 #43
Cite please. ellisonz Mar 2012 #54
The Tiahart Amendment was passed in 2004 gejohnston Mar 2012 #67
That doesn't prove your argument... ellisonz Mar 2012 #72
yes it does gejohnston Mar 2012 #73
Actually, no it doesn't: ellisonz Mar 2012 #74
since MAIG lied about everything else gejohnston Mar 2012 #75
Now you're getting into... ellisonz Mar 2012 #76
No it did not gejohnston Mar 2012 #77
^^^^ ellisonz Mar 2012 #78
in other words, gejohnston Mar 2012 #79
Poopyhead- you're not recognizing the "higher truth" in MAIG's statements. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #94
Yes, I think it is important to send policy messages through voting where possible. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #17
Good luck with that, single-issue voter... ellisonz Mar 2012 #22
If I was a single-issue voter, I would not have voted for Obama. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #44
I think they will always lobby for gun rights socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #10
Democratic* ellisonz Mar 2012 #28
That's because I wrote what I meant - Democrat. socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #31
Oy Vey ellisonz Mar 2012 #33
If all you can do is complain about spelling and whether a word is a noun or a verb rl6214 Mar 2012 #86
You should take that... ellisonz Mar 2012 #87
I understand and agree with your position, but I believe Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #20
No point in donating money to people that piss on the President, while accepting Mitt's AWB. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #50
Well said - and I agree with your perceptions Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #93
Obama is not allowing the Korean M-1s to return to this country. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #41
True, but Rmoney signed MA's "assault weapons" ban into law. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #47
Obama's record as a Senator is profoundly anti-gun. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #66
All anti-gun is a level! You do not like obamas level, I do. He as... Logical Mar 2012 #49
"Sorry, but Obama is anti-gun." ellisonz Mar 2012 #55
I can't speak for GSC, but I'm certainly voting Obama in November. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #60
I'm not a single issue voter. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #63
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