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In reply to the discussion: Did historical Jesus really exist? The evidence just doesn’t add up. [View all]Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)62. "No, they did not find Hector or Helen" - nobody is questioning that Jerusalem exists.
Nor was the discovery of Troy proof of the divinity of Athena or that Achilles was a real person. What it did show is that some myths are based on historical events. Some aren't. Was there some itinerant rabbi that the Jesus myth is based on? It is possible, but there really isn't any evidence, no "troy" that this happened. The question is not "could there have been this guy?" it is "is there historical evidence for this guy?".
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Did historical Jesus really exist? The evidence just doesn’t add up. [View all]
cleanhippie
Dec 2014
OP
In fairness to Justin and those like him, he must go on record here or anywhere
NoJusticeNoPeace
Dec 2014
#52
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. And, they who resort to ad homina have lost.
NYC_SKP
Dec 2014
#75
I don't take any religious texts at face value, as gospel truths (couldn't resist).
NYC_SKP
Dec 2014
#231
Why would I think that? Odd how people in the A-A group say "I'm not one of them".
NYC_SKP
Dec 2014
#238
Scientific " faith"is not the same word as used in religious faith, you are confusing yourself.
Fred Sanders
Dec 2014
#254
I don't believe that history according to Dan Brown has any professional support.
okasha
Dec 2014
#242
Oddly enough most who believe Jesus did exist aren't scholars either.
Warren Stupidity
Dec 2014
#235
Rationally, the burden of proof lies with the people who claim he DID exist.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2014
#13
Well, he is convincing me he has nothing convincing to give me. Faith, of course, can not be proven.
Fred Sanders
Dec 2014
#255
But you do engage with a 'they' that do not accept that premise, and whom
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2014
#33
Only one side *requires* proof. The side making an extraordinary claim.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2014
#117
How many specific, individual people from 1st century Palestine could be "proven"...
YoungDemCA
Dec 2014
#91
That is not what I asked and I am not responsible in anyway shape ot form by the litany you just
hrmjustin
Dec 2014
#17
Let me put it another way, because that last paragraph I just wrote is probably difficult to parse.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2014
#168
Why are you trying to bait me? i did not alert on your post nor am I going to.
hrmjustin
Dec 2014
#164
They are jealous of the atheist lack of faith and belief only in science and facts that can be
Fred Sanders
Dec 2014
#257
Yes. Not having to think about the many versions of Hell is a relief they do not have.
Fred Sanders
Dec 2014
#259
If by chance someone who read it is an idiot they can ask for an explaination.
Leontius
Dec 2014
#267
Well you have the right to take it how you want but I never meant all of you.
hrmjustin
Dec 2014
#134
Well gosh there is plenty of evidence for all sorts of actual human beings.
Warren Stupidity
Dec 2014
#35
The Romans executed many tens of thousands of criminals and politically dangerous folk.
thucythucy
Dec 2014
#211
If, 2000 years from now, a large portion of the planets worships me as a god
cleanhippie
Dec 2014
#214
harry potter has 7 books about him, therefore he is 7X more likely to be real nt
msongs
Dec 2014
#34
Every work of history written by eyewitnesses or not is biased so there is no
Leontius
Dec 2014
#240
"No, they did not find Hector or Helen" - nobody is questioning that Jerusalem exists.
Warren Stupidity
Dec 2014
#62
I don't believe he earned a legitimate PhD. Maybe it's an honorary PhD from www.bullshit.net
NYC_SKP
Dec 2014
#93
Are you saying that WaPo published an article with a fake author holding fake credentials?
cleanhippie
Dec 2014
#94
Yes. That's a yes. Phony and shit for brains dude has a page at University of G'Day!
NYC_SKP
Dec 2014
#113
From what I see (links provided in previous post) his PhD paper is there for you to read.
cleanhippie
Dec 2014
#140
The vast majority of reputed historians and scholars from related disciplines disagree
YoungDemCA
Dec 2014
#77
Thanks for the links. I hadn't seen that. Great, objective writing from a real academic.
NYC_SKP
Dec 2014
#167
I'm not familiar with the post you are talking about, so I cannot comment on that.
cleanhippie
Dec 2014
#92
I know, right? Next month: Did Historical Buddha Really Exist?". Professional Whacks say "Derp".
NYC_SKP
Dec 2014
#131
=:-) Your characterization of my claims is wrong. I didn't say he wasn't a real author.
NYC_SKP
Dec 2014
#151
You poor thing! I looked at each link. No mention of his "PhD". So he's an author. Duh.
NYC_SKP
Dec 2014
#163
I just realized that all this hubabaloo is due to your abject failure at reading comprehension.
cleanhippie
Dec 2014
#185
The OP is legit, even if the author of the article doesn't hold a PhD but others insist he does.
NYC_SKP
Dec 2014
#182
The only one ever insisting that he was a fake one was you. Look at your response to rug
cleanhippie
Dec 2014
#187
His personal website says he's a PhD researcher. That is a lie, and he is a liar wannabe.
NYC_SKP
Dec 2014
#188
Jesus is not God. Like Mohammed and Buddha, Jesus was a historic mortal human being.
NYC_SKP
Dec 2014
#189
The other two dudes never claim to be the Son of God, or divine, only one is literally God.
Fred Sanders
Dec 2014
#262
Discussing whether the basis for the largest religion in the world is real
Goblinmonger
Dec 2014
#200
Wait - If Jesus didn't exist, then who spoke the words in red in the Bible?
yellowcanine
Dec 2014
#229
I'm an agnostic, but I believe that some person named Yeshua probably existed.
Xithras
Dec 2014
#251