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In reply to the discussion: It would be wrong to expect atheists or antitheists to answer for a murderer who used those labels. [View all]AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)53. What happened to (allegedly) christ?
All pre-arranged. Hearts hardened. What of free will?
What happened to millions in the OT, at the hand of the same god, that is the same god that is/made jesus (allegedly)?
You know the god of the Abrahamic tradition is all the same god right? The one that shredded entire cities and most of the planet? Same god.
"A central tenet of Marxism-Leninism is dialectical materialism, with atheism as a core principle. I would hope we can stipulate that Marxism-Leninism, and its off-shoot Stalinism, were pretty violent ideologies--in that their followers were directly responsible for the deaths of millions of people. These were folks--the perpetrators that is--who were quite explicitly and militantly atheist. So to say "there is no connection" at all I think stretches it. "Atheism has no such entanglements." Tell that to the victims of the Great Cultural Revolution."
You've got your cart in front of your horse. None of that is a foundational tenet of atheism. That's what some people came along and did while being atheists. Where's the foundational source documentation of atheism that includes the wholesale slaughter of cities, entire peoples, and enslavement of just the young girls that were virgins? I know one book where I can find that. A book upon which ALL of the prophecies and lineage that allegedly lead to Christ, rest.
Atheism doesn't have prophecies, nor prophets. No ideologies. No tenets. No doctrines. It's just a single answer to a single question:
Is there a god?
No.
That is the whole of atheism. No books. No spirit guides. No ooga booga. No eternal rewards or damnations. No keys to conquest. No divine rights. No nothing. Just one answer, to one question. That's all.
If you want to talk about follow-on philosophies/ideologies, like secular humanism, that sort of thing, I'm all ears. But they aren't part of, or foundational to, atheism.
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It would be wrong to expect atheists or antitheists to answer for a murderer who used those labels. [View all]
Htom Sirveaux
Feb 2015
OP
Clearly some people are very uncomfortable with this subject and they should not be.
hrmjustin
Feb 2015
#1
Simplistic, tunnel vision misses a larger picture. Equating theists with the KKK is a cheap shot.
pinto
Feb 2015
#15
I feel a murderer should be held personably responsible if convicted in a court of law.
pinto
Feb 2015
#6
Where are the ancient atheist texts containing exhortations to violence, part and parcel with
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2015
#7
I'm glad you agree, but then I don't see where I've committed a false equivalency.
Htom Sirveaux
Feb 2015
#13
Because there's no connection between atheism and any other ideology, violent or not.
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2015
#26
What were the websites general message? end all religion by force or argument?
hrmjustin
Feb 2015
#31
You may be right, but, that sort of speculation and the undoubtable 24x7
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2015
#63
Is it prejudice when the guy who these three religions claim as their founder was a monster?
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2015
#25
I understand that atheism is not functionally equivalent to an entire religion.
Htom Sirveaux
Feb 2015
#30
While I, in general, agree that individuals are not responsible for the actions of others...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2015
#32
I don't like interpretations of religious texts that justify violence either.
Htom Sirveaux
Feb 2015
#35
Its not so much interpretation as it is what you decide to selectively focus on...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2015
#46
Feel free to reinterpolate Deut. 7.1-2; 20.16-18 into something other than god-mandated violence.
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2015
#58
I will. My tolerance level for the personal stuff is very low after the past 24 hours.
hrmjustin
Feb 2015
#91
Would it be wrong to expect LGBT activist to answer for a murderer who advocated for
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#80