2016 Postmortem

K Gardner

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137. In every single state where he won or had a chance..

Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:15 AM

Apr 2016

there has been some b/s like this. They planned this LONG LONG before these primaries started.

I don't know why I am dumbfounded, but I am. The bad news: the Millenials are an angry, mobilized army, and are having NONE of it.

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MAJOR UPDATE!!! The number of ACTUAL PEOPLE vs SURROGATES in Laramie County [View all] FourScore Apr 2016 OP

Another day, another set of laws broken by Hillary & Co... revbones Apr 2016 #1

Yeah, allowing the disabled, the elderly, and the poor to vote is breaking the law. athena Apr 2016 #14

One guy as the surrogate for 600+ revbones Apr 2016 #18

Why don't you go talk to him. athena Apr 2016 #21

It's kind of obnoxious to not look at that situation with some skepticism... nt revbones Apr 2016 #22

Who needs evidence, eh? athena Apr 2016 #39

You are confusing Eko Apr 2016 #65

Lol!! KPN Apr 2016 #87

I wonder how many surrogate ballots for Sanders the guy discarded. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #28

I'm thinking about the Arizona woman who tried to leave the building with winter is coming Apr 2016 #41

Surrogate ballots are mailed in to the state party SaschaHM Apr 2016 #74

I believe that one person per Precinct, not Caucus location, is the requirement, JimDandy Apr 2016 #92

I think it's pretty much the same.... SaschaHM Apr 2016 #93

That would be amazing if the WY Dem Party was able to have a caucus location in each precinct. JimDandy Apr 2016 #96

From the website.... SaschaHM Apr 2016 #99

Ok, so sounds like mine: multiple precincts meeting at one caucus venue JimDandy Apr 2016 #100

The POIONT Is... Some Klown For Hillary Gets A Few Hundred Surrogate Forms And Goes Around... CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #120

GOTV is not a dastardly thing. Really. JimDandy Apr 2016 #121

Thank you. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #134

YEAH... JUST FINDING NAMES AND ONE GUY TOTES IN THE BOX! CORRUPT AS ALL HELL FOR CERTAIN! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #105

Actually the op is wrong passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #129

cheating pure and simple berningman Apr 2016 #36

No. It is not fair if Bernie supporters didn't have the benefit of the same. It's anything Skwmom Apr 2016 #81

The Clinton camp was good with that in AZ n/t LadyHawkAZ Apr 2016 #114

Nobody is calling for denying the franchise for anyone. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #136

Where is that "clear" rule? Codeine Apr 2016 #138

Crickets. nt Codeine Apr 2016 #157

Those surrogate ballots were also supposed to be there when the caucus was opened. JimDandy Apr 2016 #61

It gets fucking tiring doesn't it? KPN Apr 2016 #86

ONE PERSOn FOR EACH VOTE! Therre HAs Got To Be... MAJOR SHENANIGANS HERE! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #104

First of all, it's party rules, not "laws". PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #147

investigate???? kgnu_fan Apr 2016 #2

In California, WhiteTara Apr 2016 #3

Yes. Can these ballots be verified and counted? CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #122

The ballots did not give Hillary the whole win passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #130

Of course WhiteTara Apr 2016 #142

Go Bernie Army! #Research your little tails off! Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #4

Hillary should buy lotto tickets. Milestone Apr 2016 #5

Duhbya must have shared their secrets at the family barbecue. pacalo Apr 2016 #11

I think it's called: convincing people to vote for you. brooklynite Apr 2016 #20

sure all 625 surrogate votes went weathervane that sounds perfectly reasonable berningman Apr 2016 #40

And that luck always seems to involve the biggest county or jwirr Apr 2016 #42

I wonder what their state laws are. Here in Az you cannot do that. It's actually a law that I cannot jillan Apr 2016 #6

look @ post 26,30 and 33 questionseverything Apr 2016 #37

Well if they couldn't be bothered to show up - they probably won't show up at the Convention so Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #7

I swear I have never seen a bunch of bigger whiners and cry babies in my life Trenzalore Apr 2016 #8

Do you care to comment on the actual discussion or just here to cause trouble think Apr 2016 #15

And my opponent didn't win Wyoming. fighting-irish Apr 2016 #75

7-7 tie Trenzalore Apr 2016 #77

It will end up 11-3 favoring Bernie fighting-irish Apr 2016 #78

I think a lesson was learned in Nevada Trenzalore Apr 2016 #80

Not.for Wyoming. Kittycat Apr 2016 #126

I agree....look at Nevada and Missouri....n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #155

I would have to imagine that 1 person cannot surrogate for 600 people. Barack_America Apr 2016 #9

Are these the same as absentee ballots? BuelahWitch Apr 2016 #10

Yes, they are effectively absentee ballots for the caucus. joshcryer Apr 2016 #98

Well, "surrogate" makes it sound like someone stands in for these voters BuelahWitch Apr 2016 #102

It is a person who is supposed to be given a piece of paper JimDandy Apr 2016 #110

That seems like bullshit by the Clinton's Politicalboi Apr 2016 #12

Hillary trying to steal Wyoming to break the momentum. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #13

Do you have any evidence of that? athena Apr 2016 #16

Yes. Here... Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #17

twitter is not evidence. nt msongs Apr 2016 #27

No that will come after the embarrassingly needed investigation (embarrassing for our country) nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #46

So Virtually all of the "surrogates" had one guy walk over 600 times to the hill side of the venu Dragonfli Apr 2016 #43

i don't know. Rumors fly pretty quickly sometimes Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #47

Fair enough, but I wouldn't be surprised if something were planned in the most populated county Dragonfli Apr 2016 #51

Have You Seen The Vanderbilt Study And Cumulative Vote Share Analysis A Method of Skimming! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #139

Looks interesting, I will check out all the linkd later when I have more time. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #141

...And why would a surrogate for Hillary also be a surrogate for Bernie? me b zola Apr 2016 #156

No. Agschmid Apr 2016 #82

New line: Absentee ballots are cheating. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #19

Surrogates arent the same thing as absentee ballots. At least get your facts straight if you're think Apr 2016 #23

Facts? you call the verbal diarrhea these fools vomit facts? it takes a special kind of stupid to berningman Apr 2016 #45

So now that you know not all 600 went to the "Queen" will you correct your post Agschmid Apr 2016 #151

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that to happen. 99Forever Apr 2016 #54

Pot, kettle. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #72

They really don't have the first clue about how this is done. They can't ALL be first time voters!!! Squinch Apr 2016 #57

Congrats! You are my new ignore for the day! BillZBubb Apr 2016 #83

Generally all the paper ballots get counted- "come in" together. This must be your first election. bettyellen Apr 2016 #24

The caucus rules are different. FourScore Apr 2016 #25

nothing on the dem website in wy about how the surrogate ballots get to the caucus questionseverything Apr 2016 #26

Odd... the Natrona county Dems' website says the deadline is April 7th, not April 1st. winter is coming Apr 2016 #30

to me that reads that these surrogate ballots are returned to the party by april7th questionseverything Apr 2016 #33

That's not the same date as the state website, though. winter is coming Apr 2016 #35

the way i read it, april 1st is deadline to request, april 7th deadline to return questionseverything Apr 2016 #44

I'd be appalled if there isn't a paper trail. winter is coming Apr 2016 #52

me too questionseverything Apr 2016 #62

Right. Both Bernie's and Hillary's instructions for the caucuses mention that the surrogate JDPriestly Apr 2016 #131

yes it seems odd. not it is completely not possible in this or any universe parallel or otherwise. berningman Apr 2016 #50

I am sure this happens all the time. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #84

They need a "person" to represent that vote Politicalboi Apr 2016 #38

do you have a link that says that because i can not find it questionseverything Apr 2016 #48

I can definitely understand your name NWCorona Apr 2016 #55

it is just if we are going to take a stand, i want to be correct questionseverything Apr 2016 #58

Well, if that one guy is a representative for the county party and he's delivering winter is coming Apr 2016 #59

look at my math in 58, bernie evidently had -2 surrogates questionseverything Apr 2016 #66

No surrogates for Bernie? Skink Apr 2016 #29

He doesn't have a slush fund for that kind of shit. n/t BuelahWitch Apr 2016 #108

He's eating Hillarys lunch in NY. Skink Apr 2016 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author imari362 Apr 2016 #31

Yup, 689 vs 111 actual people for Bernie vs Hillary farleftlib Apr 2016 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author imari362 Apr 2016 #34

Signs of collapsing support. Octafish Apr 2016 #49

Or a sign that the Sanders people just forgot to get their surrogates in. Squinch Apr 2016 #60

Absolutely. Octafish Apr 2016 #64

Thank you! That is very nice of you! Squinch Apr 2016 #73

Please know I will be a happy Democrat no matter the nominee. Octafish Apr 2016 #95

I'm liking the fight less and less, but I'll be voting for the winner. Squinch Apr 2016 #97

That's Clinton's surrogate EXCITEMENT!!! mhatrw Apr 2016 #53

Well, a) they understand the rules unlike DU and b) they had stuff to do. Squinch Apr 2016 #76

Oops, they better not be planting tomatoes or attending soccer games JimDandy Apr 2016 #112

Beautiful. FourScore Apr 2016 #118

Sanders will pick up a bunch more delegates in WY at each of the next delegate level JimDandy Apr 2016 #88

Surrogate excitement? KPN Apr 2016 #91

Seriously, bro, do you know NOTHING about how this process works? Squinch Apr 2016 #56

Rather than belittle, how about educate? n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #63

Ever heard of Scorpion and frog? Gwhittey Apr 2016 #68

No way. The accusations about skullduggery are hilarious and if I did talk about how the process Squinch Apr 2016 #69

Surrogate forms are... SaschaHM Apr 2016 #67

The answer is there must be a surrogate in each precinct for surrogate ballots JimDandy Apr 2016 #70

Then why do a caucus? They can just all do mail in ballots. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #117

I am so with you on that. It appears to be a compromise measure JimDandy Apr 2016 #127

Now THAT is interesting. And maybe undemocratic as all get out... Octafish Apr 2016 #71

Aren't surrogates actual people? seabeyond Apr 2016 #79

Yes, is the short answer. JimDandy Apr 2016 #103

It is like hearing the "peoples voice" for Sanders and Clinton's vote is corporate. No. seabeyond Apr 2016 #106

Unfortunately, the Bernie Sanders Aerows Apr 2016 #85

Yup, they said they were going nuclear, and I guess that includes ballot stuffing. jfern Apr 2016 #124

. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #132

What a fucking joke this entire primary season has been. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #89

In every single state where he won or had a chance.. K Gardner Apr 2016 #137

625 surrogate votes came in and they were azmom Apr 2016 #90

Me either BuelahWitch Apr 2016 #109

Don't buy it, it was 100% wrong. Agschmid Apr 2016 #152

This will be like NV. The Hillary "surrogates" won't show up to the NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #94

+1. Still playing the game of kicking the can down the road, hoping winter is coming Apr 2016 #111

The Clinton Camp: putting the L-i-e in Laramie! drokhole Apr 2016 #101

Damn Wyoming trying to let people vote BainsBane Apr 2016 #107

Not to worry--the surrogates won't show up at the next level n/t eridani Apr 2016 #113

Similar Strategy (Fraud) as in NV see Video DelphiniumBlue Apr 2016 #116

Did you know this is produced by James O'Keefe, RW falsehood monger? uppityperson Apr 2016 #123

Of course they know it. Codeine Apr 2016 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Apr 2016 #143

That a DU jury allowed a new user to post this RW trash and let it stay up boggles my mind. TeamPooka Apr 2016 #125

I don't get this either. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #149

enjoy your stay! passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #150

Sounds extremely fishy Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #119

Do you have a link? passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #128

Kick for this post tammywammy Apr 2016 #135

I just updated it. Thank you so much for alerting me. FourScore Apr 2016 #140

It's easy to get caught up in the excitement. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #148

Thank you. Agschmid Apr 2016 #153

Very, very cool of FourScore to update the original post with current data. Codeine Apr 2016 #144

Pettition to get the whitehouse to call for investigation into the unrealistic results. Booksmith Apr 2016 #145

Welcome to DU! panader0 Apr 2016 #146

Thanks for the updated version. Agschmid Apr 2016 #154