2016 Postmortem

Mike Nelson

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127. My take...

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:54 PM

Apr 2016

...don't think it was a "lie" - which is a word overused. Bernie is simply a fan of the Pope. Remember when you're 14 and really like Madonna or some other singer... You meet the singer and "elevate" the encounter in your mind. You talk about it because it seems to elevate you - it doesn't, but you really think it does. The whole Pope story is stupid... hope it ends soon!

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This is NOT first time Sanders camp feinged or faked some type of endorsement or proxy credibility [View all] uponit7771 Apr 2016 OP

If the pope quote about a handshake and nothing more.... kstewart33 Apr 2016 #1

+1, he spent resources to go over there and place Francis in a bad position... 100% selfish IMHO uponit7771 Apr 2016 #7

It was a complete debacle CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #17

Go Bernie liberal from boston Apr 2016 #110

Have you read Francis's statements on the encounter?! There was no "meeting" as Sanders claimed uponit7771 Apr 2016 #111

Lol. The HRC crew is jealous. Green with envy. nt MaeScott Apr 2016 #208

Far from jealous, perhaps this was not the shining moment Sanders envisioned. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #226

Pope Francis: "..I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more..." uponit7771 Apr 2016 #231

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #210

+1 MBS Apr 2016 #230

you guys need to go for a walk roguevalley Apr 2016 #118

So he should have declined the invitation to attend? mmonk Apr 2016 #2

No. But he shouldn't have lied about it. n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #3

Exactly!! There's no need to do what he did ... it would NOT have bought him much and right now uponit7771 Apr 2016 #10

But but but i thought you are a devout lover of liars! Voice for Peace Apr 2016 #166

Go Bernie liberal from boston Apr 2016 #125

This one: Lucinda Apr 2016 #129

Will you quit spreading that lie? The Pope never said this. It has been debunked lunamagica Apr 2016 #134

The Vatican or their people did not make the first contact. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #30

Chancellor Sorondo disagrees with ya nt Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2016 #80

This thread needs a soundtrack. QC Apr 2016 #4

Ha ha. Did you play this soundtrack when the Berners were gloating about the "personal meeting"? No Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #88

But you all are normally FOND of liars! Whassup? Voice for Peace Apr 2016 #167

Clearly not. But I am surprised ... Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #169

I haven't SEEN any dishonesty from him or his campaign Voice for Peace Apr 2016 #179

So when exactly did anyone claim the Pope endorsed Bernie? Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #5

There's an or in the OP... good try though uponit7771 Apr 2016 #11

So in other words nobody said there was an endorsement and your OP is disingenuous Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #19

In other words your attempt at a strawman doesn't work on focused people, here he sought credibility uponit7771 Apr 2016 #26

Your OP strongly suggested Bernie faked an endorsement Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #34

Another strawman... OR is in the OP... its a word and I meant to use it to describe Sanders selfish uponit7771 Apr 2016 #40

That is a straight up lie, Sanders did not force the Pope to do anything Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #44

Sanders misrepresent the encounter between him and the pope, that's a fact not in dispute and uponit7771 Apr 2016 #50

Really? Can you provide a link to this "fact not in dispute"? Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #56

Francis own words? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #65

Please provide a link to where Francis said Bernie misrepresented their encounter Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #73

Strawman, I never said he did uponit7771 Apr 2016 #74

Here is what you said... Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #82

I never said the Pope said Sanders misrepresented the meeting like you claimed uponit7771 Apr 2016 #92

Then why did you cite "the Pope's words" when I asked you for a link Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #94

Cause the popes words supercede any Sanders camp excuses for Sanders selfish move uponit7771 Apr 2016 #95

The Pope said that Bernie acted in kindness Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #99

yes, there was no 'meeting' as Sanders claimed... the encounter was a greeting as tje pope was uponit7771 Apr 2016 #100

It was a meet and greet which is an informal type of meeting Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #102

Francis: "I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more" Francis over Sachs and Sanders uponit7771 Apr 2016 #199

It was a prearranged meet and greet. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #192

I'll take Francis's word over Sanders and Sachs uponit7771 Apr 2016 #193

There is no contradiction if you listen to his words carefully passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #197

No... no... stop this... there is a strong contradiction uponit7771 Apr 2016 #198

Yes, I know what he said. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #200

I did read what you posted and in the post you still speculated, Francis's words were clearn... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #201

What people say is often misinterpreted, because the nuance is lost passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #202

Nuance has been lost with Sander camp a couple of times in the past with mailers that had uponit7771 Apr 2016 #203

Some people are disputing that passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #206

His campaign made a mistake in including logos on some of their literature without prior permission uponit7771 Apr 2016 #207

I've been focusing on the wrong part of the Pope's sentence passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #237

Just give up gabeana Apr 2016 #98

You are in the clear. HassleCat Apr 2016 #89

I see lots of claims, but no evidence of any wrongdoing by Bernie. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #141

they (his campaign) wants to leave the impression that there is an endorsement DrDan Apr 2016 #221

My take? frylock Apr 2016 #6

If he halved her vote count then that would be true and "momentum" doesn't vote uponit7771 Apr 2016 #13

LOL CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #8

My take? I can't for the life of me understand why NO ONE in this forum will talk about ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #9

This is an issue!! MANY people have limented that Sanders is just like any other politician just an uponit7771 Apr 2016 #14

No... this is silly as hell. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #16

Outright lying and using another person to do so isn't silly... goes direct towards his character.. uponit7771 Apr 2016 #18

It is my sincere wish that we move on to actual issues that affect our country. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #20

Sanders has constantly called Hillary bribed and bought of with "artful" words and has centered his uponit7771 Apr 2016 #23

Sorry. Good luck with this. But you've lost me ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #27

If these links don;'t at least raise questions....Well then I guess you;re happy with... Armstead Apr 2016 #46

Of course they raise questions but ones important to the way she'll govern?! no... not at all uponit7771 Apr 2016 #47

I think you are obsessed with trivia more than actual issues that will shape the future Armstead Apr 2016 #12

Sanders patter of lying about endorsements or crediibilty by proxy is not trivia. If Clinton coughed uponit7771 Apr 2016 #15

These "patterns" are non existant Armstead Apr 2016 #32

So Sanders camp did NOT lie about endorsements in the past? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #48

Fer God sake I am not going to get lost in this OCD nightmare Armstead Apr 2016 #52

Obfuscation, you said there was no pattern... there is uponit7771 Apr 2016 #54

Investigate away if you really think this matters in the scheme of things Armstead Apr 2016 #72

Yes it does, Sanders camp has misrepresented proxy credibility multiple times and calling uponit7771 Apr 2016 #91

Vatican visit 3hummingbirds Apr 2016 #159

Hope the last damn time.. but I doubt it.. they never learn. Cha Apr 2016 #21

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #41

The Pope is a great person, he has not indicated any interest in our politics. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #176

Why should he?.. good grief, he has more important things to do than be a part of BS' political Cha Apr 2016 #184

I'm disappointed in the Hillary camp and followers... revbones Apr 2016 #22

AARP, League of Conservation Voters, American Legions, NH newspapers, Sanders stole them all. IamMab Apr 2016 #24

Yeap, my understanding its not just once or twice either. This is no doubt a pattern uponit7771 Apr 2016 #38

Waiting around in the lobby at 4 am .... salinsky Apr 2016 #25

Then, misrepresenting the "meeting" forcing Francis to counter... 100% selfish move. Don't understan uponit7771 Apr 2016 #29

can you prove that or is slander your usual thing? 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #35

The pope left the lobby around 4am ish, that's where the 4am comes from uponit7771 Apr 2016 #49

Actually they met at 6am in the foyer. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #195

All take Francis's word over Sachs and Sanders... link and quote uponit7771 Apr 2016 #196

Another Hillarian poutage thread from Camp Lying Liars. 99Forever Apr 2016 #28

Camp Doubledown. PeoViejo Apr 2016 #31

I trusted Sanders at one time, I no longer do ... he's lied multiple times about endorsements uponit7771 Apr 2016 #36

Oh please. 99Forever Apr 2016 #64

lol, but you trust the lying Hillary? 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #126

Crickets.....chirp..chirp. PeoViejo Apr 2016 #128

bernie said there was no endorsement 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #33

Or credibility by proxy... strawman noted uponit7771 Apr 2016 #37

There is no endorsement, and the credibility is real. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #39

I disagree, it's not credible to misrepresent something and involve other people in the uponit7771 Apr 2016 #43

No one is misrepresenting the Pope's views on inequality. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #45

I'm speaking of the encounter and how Sanders described it with the pope uponit7771 Apr 2016 #53

You mean when he said "not an endorsement"? That? n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #55

No, the "meeting" part uponit7771 Apr 2016 #66

So the Pope came home to find Sanders sitting on his couch, playing his X-box and drinking his beer? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #69

I take Francis's word for the encounter not someone who camp has lied multiple times about uponit7771 Apr 2016 #71

Fine take the Pope's word for it... Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #75

Yes, a greeting is NOT a "meeting" and "he knew I was coming out at the time" = Sanders was waiting uponit7771 Apr 2016 #78

Have you ever heard of a meet and greet? Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #86

This was no planned meet and greet either...the Pope said Sanders was waiting for him and knew what uponit7771 Apr 2016 #101

The Pope's words make it very clear he appreciated Bernie's kindness.... Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #106

Red Herring, Sander was kind of course.. was he supposed to cuss the Pope out in his own house? uponit7771 Apr 2016 #107

So what is so horrible about what Bernie said? Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #109

"He had the kindness to greet me" = "thanks for meeting with me at this time of my choosing" lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #132

A wave is a greeting... Depending on how many fingers I'm holding up. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #131

There was no "discussion", you guys are really pushing the reality thing no? uponit7771 Apr 2016 #136

I assure you catnhatnh Apr 2016 #130

My take? Trashing. Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #42

My take? You're seeing things that don't exist. Seek help. Vinca Apr 2016 #51

I'm seeing the popes own words in black and white; no "meeting" with Sanders uponit7771 Apr 2016 #58

Never mind. I know it's a case of jealousy. Vinca Apr 2016 #68

I'm not Catholic and don't value the organization enough to be "jealous" of anything ... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #70

Why would he do that? Vinca Apr 2016 #77

Cause his camp has lied before when it comes to proxy credibility?! MULTIPLE times during this ... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #81

On the plus side, he's not being investigated by the FBI. Vinca Apr 2016 #87

Neither is Hillary Clinton uponit7771 Apr 2016 #108

Okay. Vinca Apr 2016 #124

haha lol - thanks I needed 840high Apr 2016 #181

My take: your desperation is showing. polichick Apr 2016 #57

Desperate = calling a hand shake a "meeting" uponit7771 Apr 2016 #59

Meeting, as in they met each other - get a clue. polichick Apr 2016 #62

I take Francis's word for the encounter not someone who camp has lied multiple times about uponit7771 Apr 2016 #67

Like this time they feigned interest in helping out interns? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #60

That's Bill Clinton not Bernie Sanders uponit7771 Apr 2016 #61

Whaaaaa? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #63

It sure is.....The guy who almost took down the government by lying about sex Armstead Apr 2016 #76

Armstead...I think the US government is stronger than a couple of people doin the nasty uponit7771 Apr 2016 #104

Hey Sean Hannity! Good to see you here on DU redstateblues Apr 2016 #165

It is not Sean in the pictures northernsouthern Apr 2016 #175

Isn't that you posting Sean? redstateblues Apr 2016 #177

Posting about Sean? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #180

My take: the horse you're beating is pinin' for the fjords. n/t eShirl Apr 2016 #79

This site has... deathrind Apr 2016 #83

my take is people still making an issue out of this after jerkoffs JI7 Apr 2016 #84

There is a pattern here Gothmog Apr 2016 #85

It's hard to see how you could make yourself look any more foolish. grasswire Apr 2016 #90

Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position uponit7771 Apr 2016 #97

I think he felt genuine honor to meet the pope, and Lil Missy Apr 2016 #93

Sanders camp has misrepresented proxy cred multiple times during the primary... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #96

stupid OP BlindTiresias Apr 2016 #103

Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position uponit7771 Apr 2016 #105

yes they are indeed - Bernie Sanders says private meeting with Pope Francis is not an endorsement azurnoir Apr 2016 #112

There was no "meeting" there was a greeting and that was it. I take Francis's word of the ecounter uponit7771 Apr 2016 #116

you've been corrected-nicely azurnoir Apr 2016 #119

JPost-Pope meets with Bernie Sanders, thanks him for addressing Vatican on the 'moral economy' azurnoir Apr 2016 #121

Bookmarking to laugh off meeting/greeting pope "controversy." ROFL. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #147

Pope Francis's words trumps Sachs and Sanders uponit7771 Apr 2016 #194

You belted that out as though it were true. It's not. REJECTED. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #113

“This morning as I was leaving, Senator Sanders was there,” Francis said. “He knew I was coming out uponit7771 Apr 2016 #114

My take? passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #115

Having a bad day = behind 2 million votes uponit7771 Apr 2016 #117

that doesn't bother me passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #122

Nah, more bothered that a guy who should've been kept out of the mix had to proffer a correcting uponit7771 Apr 2016 #149

Exactly what Sanders said. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #153

Sanders said it was a "meeting" while the pope says not uponit7771 Apr 2016 #157

But he never made a point of saying it wasn't a meeting passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #162

True, the pope used the word greeting multiple times in his statement....so, Francis over Sanders uponit7771 Apr 2016 #163

Yah Yah, my dad's bigger than your dad. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #164

My take ... GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #120

Here's some credible proxy for you GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #123

My take... Mike Nelson Apr 2016 #127

get a grip man. 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #133

I'll take Francis's word over Sanders, that grip enough for yah? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #135

Please educate me. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #140

Strawman, never said he did... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #142

How about some evidence of anything? n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #145

Here you go uponit7771 Apr 2016 #146

The meet/greet "controversy is a non-starter." This thread is silly. Over and out. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #152

"..I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more..." It doesn't matter the other nuances the uponit7771 Apr 2016 #204

No its not. You are still obsessing. Breathe man! Let it go. They didn't want Hillary. 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #211

"There's desperation in the air. It stains all your clothes and no detergent gets it out." hobbit709 Apr 2016 #137

Bernie never claimed the pope endorsed him. End of story. jfern Apr 2016 #138

Failed Strawman 4, there's an "OR" in the OP title... or proxy credibility... either way, lying abou uponit7771 Apr 2016 #139

The Vatican lies!? They sent Aerows Apr 2016 #143

I'll take Francis's word over Sanders, Francis calls it a greeting Sanders called it a meeting and uponit7771 Apr 2016 #144

Pope Francis met with Bernie Sanders. Aerows Apr 2016 #151

Francis doesn't think so (link and quote inside) uponit7771 Apr 2016 #155

You aren't Catholic, are you? n/t Aerows Apr 2016 #156

Why does that make a difference? The conversation is about Sanders statement and the popes uponit7771 Apr 2016 #158

If I have to explain Aerows Apr 2016 #160

It's pretty obvious to any rational thinking person that the Pope supports Bernie. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #148

OMFG, is this real!? uponit7771 Apr 2016 #150

What is wrong with you? Why 840high Apr 2016 #182

As real as real is. Peace be with you. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #185

The loss of their shit is epic. Aerows Apr 2016 #154

They know deep down but simply can't come to terms with it. Really fascinating to watch. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #187

Link please? Exactly where/when did Sanders camp claim an endorsement? magical thyme Apr 2016 #161

Fifth Strawman fail, there's an "OR" in the op... good try though uponit7771 Apr 2016 #170

Fine, Link where Sanders' campaign claimed credibility or endorsement? magical thyme Apr 2016 #173

Your concern is noted krawhitham Apr 2016 #168

Kick! Cha Apr 2016 #171

This is elementary school crap ( Clinton fake outrage, trying to make a mountain out of a molehill). Skwmom Apr 2016 #172

A senior vatican official took it very seriously Haveadream Apr 2016 #174

+1, whomever green lit this move should be fired... we all know what Sanders was trying to do uponit7771 Apr 2016 #189

Boy are you incorrect. She's not a Vatican official at all, Lady Archer is a Professor at a secular Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #220

My my. Petards and all...nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #229

Let's be real-This was a Hail Mary to try to win the NY Primary redstateblues Apr 2016 #178

Yes- Political expedience Haveadream Apr 2016 #183

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #190

My take is that this is not your first time being dishonest. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #186

What in the OP is false? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #191

All of it. It's just words you typed, assumption and presumption and not a word of support for Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #216

I lost Jamaal510 Apr 2016 #188

Oh, the noise! Oh, the Noise! Noise! Noise! Noise! pat_k Apr 2016 #205

When will the Hillary folk finally let this whole Vatican thing go? cloudythescribbler Apr 2016 #209

After Sanders folk admit Podium Bird was wrong !! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #214

We love birds in Oregon. The bird bothers you. We love that too. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #219

Your candidate tells detailed lies which favor Republicans and smear LGBT and you are fine with that Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #212

HRC didn't smear LGBT in the vid you posted... How do you post imbeded vids on DU? Thx uponit7771 Apr 2016 #213

Yes she did, she claimed we did NOTHING until Ron and Nancy started the activism. Horrible smears. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #217

Could you point to the seconds she said LGBT did "nothing until Ron and Nancy" started anything? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #222

Do I look like your servant? You might be like Hillary, so uninformed about the actual history that Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #224

What she said is like saying George W Bush was the savior of New Orleans after Katrina..... Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #218

Hmmm, I don't hear anything like that in the vid but I wouldn't go as far as to say that was a smear uponit7771 Apr 2016 #223

It was a horrible smear and you are dismissing it and excusing it and refusing to discuss it. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #225

K&R betsuni Apr 2016 #215

Waiting for Bernie to crash the Dalai Lama's birthday party armed with a selfie stick. Squinch Apr 2016 #227

My take? RazBerryBeret Apr 2016 #228

No, it wont be over soon... it establishes what many thought of Sanders; another politician uponit7771 Apr 2016 #233

interesting... RazBerryBeret Apr 2016 #235

I think you think too much about this Lazy Daisy Apr 2016 #232

Not really, I've been saying for nearly a year that Sanders can NOT throw the stone that he uponit7771 Apr 2016 #234

And your point is? Lazy Daisy Apr 2016 #236