2016 Postmortem

Voice for Peace

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179. I haven't SEEN any dishonesty from him or his campaign

Reply to Buzz Clik (Reply #169)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:25 PM

Apr 2016

but you all apparently do. I just would imagine you'd find it a plus, not complain about it.

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This is NOT first time Sanders camp feinged or faked some type of endorsement or proxy credibility [View all] uponit7771 Apr 2016 OP

If the pope quote about a handshake and nothing more.... kstewart33 Apr 2016 #1

+1, he spent resources to go over there and place Francis in a bad position... 100% selfish IMHO uponit7771 Apr 2016 #7

It was a complete debacle CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #17

Go Bernie liberal from boston Apr 2016 #110

Have you read Francis's statements on the encounter?! There was no "meeting" as Sanders claimed uponit7771 Apr 2016 #111

Lol. The HRC crew is jealous. Green with envy. nt MaeScott Apr 2016 #208

Far from jealous, perhaps this was not the shining moment Sanders envisioned. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #226

Pope Francis: "..I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more..." uponit7771 Apr 2016 #231

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #210

+1 MBS Apr 2016 #230

you guys need to go for a walk roguevalley Apr 2016 #118

So he should have declined the invitation to attend? mmonk Apr 2016 #2

No. But he shouldn't have lied about it. n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #3

Exactly!! There's no need to do what he did ... it would NOT have bought him much and right now uponit7771 Apr 2016 #10

But but but i thought you are a devout lover of liars! Voice for Peace Apr 2016 #166

Go Bernie liberal from boston Apr 2016 #125

This one: Lucinda Apr 2016 #129

Will you quit spreading that lie? The Pope never said this. It has been debunked lunamagica Apr 2016 #134

The Vatican or their people did not make the first contact. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #30

Chancellor Sorondo disagrees with ya nt Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2016 #80

This thread needs a soundtrack. QC Apr 2016 #4

Ha ha. Did you play this soundtrack when the Berners were gloating about the "personal meeting"? No Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #88

But you all are normally FOND of liars! Whassup? Voice for Peace Apr 2016 #167

Clearly not. But I am surprised ... Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #169

I haven't SEEN any dishonesty from him or his campaign Voice for Peace Apr 2016 #179

So when exactly did anyone claim the Pope endorsed Bernie? Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #5

There's an or in the OP... good try though uponit7771 Apr 2016 #11

So in other words nobody said there was an endorsement and your OP is disingenuous Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #19

In other words your attempt at a strawman doesn't work on focused people, here he sought credibility uponit7771 Apr 2016 #26

Your OP strongly suggested Bernie faked an endorsement Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #34

Another strawman... OR is in the OP... its a word and I meant to use it to describe Sanders selfish uponit7771 Apr 2016 #40

That is a straight up lie, Sanders did not force the Pope to do anything Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #44

Sanders misrepresent the encounter between him and the pope, that's a fact not in dispute and uponit7771 Apr 2016 #50

Really? Can you provide a link to this "fact not in dispute"? Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #56

Francis own words? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #65

Please provide a link to where Francis said Bernie misrepresented their encounter Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #73

Strawman, I never said he did uponit7771 Apr 2016 #74

Here is what you said... Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #82

I never said the Pope said Sanders misrepresented the meeting like you claimed uponit7771 Apr 2016 #92

Then why did you cite "the Pope's words" when I asked you for a link Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #94

Cause the popes words supercede any Sanders camp excuses for Sanders selfish move uponit7771 Apr 2016 #95

The Pope said that Bernie acted in kindness Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #99

yes, there was no 'meeting' as Sanders claimed... the encounter was a greeting as tje pope was uponit7771 Apr 2016 #100

It was a meet and greet which is an informal type of meeting Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #102

Francis: "I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more" Francis over Sachs and Sanders uponit7771 Apr 2016 #199

It was a prearranged meet and greet. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #192

I'll take Francis's word over Sanders and Sachs uponit7771 Apr 2016 #193

There is no contradiction if you listen to his words carefully passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #197

No... no... stop this... there is a strong contradiction uponit7771 Apr 2016 #198

Yes, I know what he said. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #200

I did read what you posted and in the post you still speculated, Francis's words were clearn... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #201

What people say is often misinterpreted, because the nuance is lost passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #202

Nuance has been lost with Sander camp a couple of times in the past with mailers that had uponit7771 Apr 2016 #203

Some people are disputing that passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #206

His campaign made a mistake in including logos on some of their literature without prior permission uponit7771 Apr 2016 #207

I've been focusing on the wrong part of the Pope's sentence passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #237

Just give up gabeana Apr 2016 #98

You are in the clear. HassleCat Apr 2016 #89

I see lots of claims, but no evidence of any wrongdoing by Bernie. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #141

they (his campaign) wants to leave the impression that there is an endorsement DrDan Apr 2016 #221

My take? frylock Apr 2016 #6

If he halved her vote count then that would be true and "momentum" doesn't vote uponit7771 Apr 2016 #13

LOL CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #8

My take? I can't for the life of me understand why NO ONE in this forum will talk about ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #9

This is an issue!! MANY people have limented that Sanders is just like any other politician just an uponit7771 Apr 2016 #14

No... this is silly as hell. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #16

Outright lying and using another person to do so isn't silly... goes direct towards his character.. uponit7771 Apr 2016 #18

It is my sincere wish that we move on to actual issues that affect our country. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #20

Sanders has constantly called Hillary bribed and bought of with "artful" words and has centered his uponit7771 Apr 2016 #23

Sorry. Good luck with this. But you've lost me ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #27

If these links don;'t at least raise questions....Well then I guess you;re happy with... Armstead Apr 2016 #46

Of course they raise questions but ones important to the way she'll govern?! no... not at all uponit7771 Apr 2016 #47

I think you are obsessed with trivia more than actual issues that will shape the future Armstead Apr 2016 #12

Sanders patter of lying about endorsements or crediibilty by proxy is not trivia. If Clinton coughed uponit7771 Apr 2016 #15

These "patterns" are non existant Armstead Apr 2016 #32

So Sanders camp did NOT lie about endorsements in the past? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #48

Fer God sake I am not going to get lost in this OCD nightmare Armstead Apr 2016 #52

Obfuscation, you said there was no pattern... there is uponit7771 Apr 2016 #54

Investigate away if you really think this matters in the scheme of things Armstead Apr 2016 #72

Yes it does, Sanders camp has misrepresented proxy credibility multiple times and calling uponit7771 Apr 2016 #91

Vatican visit 3hummingbirds Apr 2016 #159

Hope the last damn time.. but I doubt it.. they never learn. Cha Apr 2016 #21

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #41

The Pope is a great person, he has not indicated any interest in our politics. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #176

Why should he?.. good grief, he has more important things to do than be a part of BS' political Cha Apr 2016 #184

I'm disappointed in the Hillary camp and followers... revbones Apr 2016 #22

AARP, League of Conservation Voters, American Legions, NH newspapers, Sanders stole them all. IamMab Apr 2016 #24

Yeap, my understanding its not just once or twice either. This is no doubt a pattern uponit7771 Apr 2016 #38

Waiting around in the lobby at 4 am .... salinsky Apr 2016 #25

Then, misrepresenting the "meeting" forcing Francis to counter... 100% selfish move. Don't understan uponit7771 Apr 2016 #29

can you prove that or is slander your usual thing? 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #35

The pope left the lobby around 4am ish, that's where the 4am comes from uponit7771 Apr 2016 #49

Actually they met at 6am in the foyer. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #195

All take Francis's word over Sachs and Sanders... link and quote uponit7771 Apr 2016 #196

Another Hillarian poutage thread from Camp Lying Liars. 99Forever Apr 2016 #28

Camp Doubledown. PeoViejo Apr 2016 #31

I trusted Sanders at one time, I no longer do ... he's lied multiple times about endorsements uponit7771 Apr 2016 #36

Oh please. 99Forever Apr 2016 #64

lol, but you trust the lying Hillary? 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #126

Crickets.....chirp..chirp. PeoViejo Apr 2016 #128

bernie said there was no endorsement 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #33

Or credibility by proxy... strawman noted uponit7771 Apr 2016 #37

There is no endorsement, and the credibility is real. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #39

I disagree, it's not credible to misrepresent something and involve other people in the uponit7771 Apr 2016 #43

No one is misrepresenting the Pope's views on inequality. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #45

I'm speaking of the encounter and how Sanders described it with the pope uponit7771 Apr 2016 #53

You mean when he said "not an endorsement"? That? n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #55

No, the "meeting" part uponit7771 Apr 2016 #66

So the Pope came home to find Sanders sitting on his couch, playing his X-box and drinking his beer? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #69

I take Francis's word for the encounter not someone who camp has lied multiple times about uponit7771 Apr 2016 #71

Fine take the Pope's word for it... Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #75

Yes, a greeting is NOT a "meeting" and "he knew I was coming out at the time" = Sanders was waiting uponit7771 Apr 2016 #78

Have you ever heard of a meet and greet? Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #86

This was no planned meet and greet either...the Pope said Sanders was waiting for him and knew what uponit7771 Apr 2016 #101

The Pope's words make it very clear he appreciated Bernie's kindness.... Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #106

Red Herring, Sander was kind of course.. was he supposed to cuss the Pope out in his own house? uponit7771 Apr 2016 #107

So what is so horrible about what Bernie said? Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #109

"He had the kindness to greet me" = "thanks for meeting with me at this time of my choosing" lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #132

A wave is a greeting... Depending on how many fingers I'm holding up. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #131

There was no "discussion", you guys are really pushing the reality thing no? uponit7771 Apr 2016 #136

I assure you catnhatnh Apr 2016 #130

My take? Trashing. Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #42

My take? You're seeing things that don't exist. Seek help. Vinca Apr 2016 #51

I'm seeing the popes own words in black and white; no "meeting" with Sanders uponit7771 Apr 2016 #58

Never mind. I know it's a case of jealousy. Vinca Apr 2016 #68

I'm not Catholic and don't value the organization enough to be "jealous" of anything ... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #70

Why would he do that? Vinca Apr 2016 #77

Cause his camp has lied before when it comes to proxy credibility?! MULTIPLE times during this ... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #81

On the plus side, he's not being investigated by the FBI. Vinca Apr 2016 #87

Neither is Hillary Clinton uponit7771 Apr 2016 #108

Okay. Vinca Apr 2016 #124

haha lol - thanks I needed 840high Apr 2016 #181

My take: your desperation is showing. polichick Apr 2016 #57

Desperate = calling a hand shake a "meeting" uponit7771 Apr 2016 #59

Meeting, as in they met each other - get a clue. polichick Apr 2016 #62

I take Francis's word for the encounter not someone who camp has lied multiple times about uponit7771 Apr 2016 #67

Like this time they feigned interest in helping out interns? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #60

That's Bill Clinton not Bernie Sanders uponit7771 Apr 2016 #61

Whaaaaa? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #63

It sure is.....The guy who almost took down the government by lying about sex Armstead Apr 2016 #76

Armstead...I think the US government is stronger than a couple of people doin the nasty uponit7771 Apr 2016 #104

Hey Sean Hannity! Good to see you here on DU redstateblues Apr 2016 #165

It is not Sean in the pictures northernsouthern Apr 2016 #175

Isn't that you posting Sean? redstateblues Apr 2016 #177

Posting about Sean? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #180

My take: the horse you're beating is pinin' for the fjords. n/t eShirl Apr 2016 #79

This site has... deathrind Apr 2016 #83

my take is people still making an issue out of this after jerkoffs JI7 Apr 2016 #84

There is a pattern here Gothmog Apr 2016 #85

It's hard to see how you could make yourself look any more foolish. grasswire Apr 2016 #90

Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position uponit7771 Apr 2016 #97

I think he felt genuine honor to meet the pope, and Lil Missy Apr 2016 #93

Sanders camp has misrepresented proxy cred multiple times during the primary... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #96

stupid OP BlindTiresias Apr 2016 #103

Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position uponit7771 Apr 2016 #105

yes they are indeed - Bernie Sanders says private meeting with Pope Francis is not an endorsement azurnoir Apr 2016 #112

There was no "meeting" there was a greeting and that was it. I take Francis's word of the ecounter uponit7771 Apr 2016 #116

you've been corrected-nicely azurnoir Apr 2016 #119

JPost-Pope meets with Bernie Sanders, thanks him for addressing Vatican on the 'moral economy' azurnoir Apr 2016 #121

Bookmarking to laugh off meeting/greeting pope "controversy." ROFL. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #147

Pope Francis's words trumps Sachs and Sanders uponit7771 Apr 2016 #194

You belted that out as though it were true. It's not. REJECTED. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #113

“This morning as I was leaving, Senator Sanders was there,” Francis said. “He knew I was coming out uponit7771 Apr 2016 #114

My take? passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #115

Having a bad day = behind 2 million votes uponit7771 Apr 2016 #117

that doesn't bother me passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #122

Nah, more bothered that a guy who should've been kept out of the mix had to proffer a correcting uponit7771 Apr 2016 #149

Exactly what Sanders said. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #153

Sanders said it was a "meeting" while the pope says not uponit7771 Apr 2016 #157

But he never made a point of saying it wasn't a meeting passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #162

True, the pope used the word greeting multiple times in his statement....so, Francis over Sanders uponit7771 Apr 2016 #163

Yah Yah, my dad's bigger than your dad. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #164

My take ... GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #120

Here's some credible proxy for you GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #123

My take... Mike Nelson Apr 2016 #127

get a grip man. 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #133

I'll take Francis's word over Sanders, that grip enough for yah? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #135

Please educate me. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #140

Strawman, never said he did... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #142

How about some evidence of anything? n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #145

Here you go uponit7771 Apr 2016 #146

The meet/greet "controversy is a non-starter." This thread is silly. Over and out. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #152

"..I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more..." It doesn't matter the other nuances the uponit7771 Apr 2016 #204

No its not. You are still obsessing. Breathe man! Let it go. They didn't want Hillary. 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #211

"There's desperation in the air. It stains all your clothes and no detergent gets it out." hobbit709 Apr 2016 #137

Bernie never claimed the pope endorsed him. End of story. jfern Apr 2016 #138

Failed Strawman 4, there's an "OR" in the OP title... or proxy credibility... either way, lying abou uponit7771 Apr 2016 #139

The Vatican lies!? They sent Aerows Apr 2016 #143

I'll take Francis's word over Sanders, Francis calls it a greeting Sanders called it a meeting and uponit7771 Apr 2016 #144

Pope Francis met with Bernie Sanders. Aerows Apr 2016 #151

Francis doesn't think so (link and quote inside) uponit7771 Apr 2016 #155

You aren't Catholic, are you? n/t Aerows Apr 2016 #156

Why does that make a difference? The conversation is about Sanders statement and the popes uponit7771 Apr 2016 #158

If I have to explain Aerows Apr 2016 #160

It's pretty obvious to any rational thinking person that the Pope supports Bernie. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #148

OMFG, is this real!? uponit7771 Apr 2016 #150

What is wrong with you? Why 840high Apr 2016 #182

As real as real is. Peace be with you. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #185

The loss of their shit is epic. Aerows Apr 2016 #154

They know deep down but simply can't come to terms with it. Really fascinating to watch. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #187

Link please? Exactly where/when did Sanders camp claim an endorsement? magical thyme Apr 2016 #161

Fifth Strawman fail, there's an "OR" in the op... good try though uponit7771 Apr 2016 #170

Fine, Link where Sanders' campaign claimed credibility or endorsement? magical thyme Apr 2016 #173

Your concern is noted krawhitham Apr 2016 #168

Kick! Cha Apr 2016 #171

This is elementary school crap ( Clinton fake outrage, trying to make a mountain out of a molehill). Skwmom Apr 2016 #172

A senior vatican official took it very seriously Haveadream Apr 2016 #174

+1, whomever green lit this move should be fired... we all know what Sanders was trying to do uponit7771 Apr 2016 #189

Boy are you incorrect. She's not a Vatican official at all, Lady Archer is a Professor at a secular Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #220

My my. Petards and all...nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #229

Let's be real-This was a Hail Mary to try to win the NY Primary redstateblues Apr 2016 #178

Yes- Political expedience Haveadream Apr 2016 #183

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #190

My take is that this is not your first time being dishonest. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #186

What in the OP is false? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #191

All of it. It's just words you typed, assumption and presumption and not a word of support for Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #216

I lost Jamaal510 Apr 2016 #188

Oh, the noise! Oh, the Noise! Noise! Noise! Noise! pat_k Apr 2016 #205

When will the Hillary folk finally let this whole Vatican thing go? cloudythescribbler Apr 2016 #209

After Sanders folk admit Podium Bird was wrong !! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #214

We love birds in Oregon. The bird bothers you. We love that too. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #219

Your candidate tells detailed lies which favor Republicans and smear LGBT and you are fine with that Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #212

HRC didn't smear LGBT in the vid you posted... How do you post imbeded vids on DU? Thx uponit7771 Apr 2016 #213

Yes she did, she claimed we did NOTHING until Ron and Nancy started the activism. Horrible smears. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #217

Could you point to the seconds she said LGBT did "nothing until Ron and Nancy" started anything? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #222

Do I look like your servant? You might be like Hillary, so uninformed about the actual history that Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #224

What she said is like saying George W Bush was the savior of New Orleans after Katrina..... Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #218

Hmmm, I don't hear anything like that in the vid but I wouldn't go as far as to say that was a smear uponit7771 Apr 2016 #223

It was a horrible smear and you are dismissing it and excusing it and refusing to discuss it. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #225

K&R betsuni Apr 2016 #215

Waiting for Bernie to crash the Dalai Lama's birthday party armed with a selfie stick. Squinch Apr 2016 #227

My take? RazBerryBeret Apr 2016 #228

No, it wont be over soon... it establishes what many thought of Sanders; another politician uponit7771 Apr 2016 #233

interesting... RazBerryBeret Apr 2016 #235

I think you think too much about this Lazy Daisy Apr 2016 #232

Not really, I've been saying for nearly a year that Sanders can NOT throw the stone that he uponit7771 Apr 2016 #234

And your point is? Lazy Daisy Apr 2016 #236