2016 Postmortem

Baobab

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36. fact is, Bill did something extremely stupid

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:06 PM

Apr 2016

Bill wasnt Hillary, I know. But there is no denying that the country paid a high price for the dysfunctional last few years of the Clinton Administration.

We should remember that, suppose Hillary does something equally stupid, the country could be deprived of any kind of decent leadership for years while we wait for her term to end.

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Bernie campaign hits a new low. Attacking Hillary by invoking the name [View all] pnwmom Apr 2016 OP

and look who brought it to DU. B Calm Apr 2016 #1

Right. We shouldn't bring anything to DU that might spoil Bernie-so-pure's image. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #6

How about her husband joking about Sanders supporters wanting to shoot people Armstead Apr 2016 #10

What individual's feelings were hurt by that? Lewinsky is a person who hurt Hillary pnwmom Apr 2016 #18

if Bill jokes about me wanting to shoot people then I am not amused Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #19

He didn't. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #20

The Hell He Didn't Armstead Apr 2016 #24

HRC blind loyalty. Leslie Stahl on Maher said "Clinton...biggest hawk" of all candidates inc. GOP snowy owl Apr 2016 #153

My feelings were hurt....Well, not really but I was highly offended on many levels Armstead Apr 2016 #21

+10 appalachiablue Apr 2016 #86

You think Monaca wasn't a victim? passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #30

Sexual harassment? ML snapper her thong at President Clinton and pursued him!! SFnomad Apr 2016 #40

Excuse me, but this is incredibly sexist and ignorant CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #56

Nice to see you rewriting history like a Republican n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #59

Nice to see you sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #63

To be calling what happened between BC and ML "sexual harassment" is certainly Republican way of SFnomad Apr 2016 #68

Imbalance of power. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #76

She pursued him, multiple times - not sexual harassment n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #81

And someone supposedly smart enough to be POTUS couldn't deal? nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #85

He should have ... he didn't. That was his fault. That doesn't make it sexual harassment. n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #89

Ooooookaaaaaaay. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #96

It was sexual harassment CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #78

^THIS^ SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #87

If something happens between a teacher and a student (and the student pursued) that is not sexual SFnomad Apr 2016 #91

Baloney. treestar Apr 2016 #139

that term does not always mean someone was harrassed passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #123

The longer this goes on, the more the BS cheerleaders sound like Republicans SFnomad Apr 2016 #126

I was sexually abused and manipulated by someone I adored passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #129

Monica was NOT sexually abused or manipulated, jesus christ SFnomad Apr 2016 #132

I'm sorry, but it's obvious you know nothing about sexual abuse/harrassment passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #134

FFS, I have done some reading up on it ... you are wrong SFnomad Apr 2016 #135

I said it might not be harrassment, but that doesn't mean it's not wrong passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #148

No, she was bullied for "ruining the reputation" of Bill beedle Apr 2016 #158

So younger against the many marriages out there with such treestar Apr 2016 #140

Nice to see you rewriting history like a Hillary fan passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #72

No, the law is not ... you people make crap up all the time n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #93

Thank you. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #77

'Bill Clinton behaved like a predator' passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #122

You are wrong... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #61

+1 i cant believe people are defending his behavior... even though he didn't break the law, it was dionysus Apr 2016 #174

Or he could have just told the truth! Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #180

i can't believe the hyperbole. "bernie has sunk to new lows.." the clintons are professional liars. dionysus Apr 2016 #188

Oh dear god. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #82

The moral of the story beedle Apr 2016 #168

Thank you that was perfect!! Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #60

She wasn't Hillary's victim. SHE hurt Hillary, not the other way around. pnwmom Apr 2016 #64

No, Madam Mossfern Apr 2016 #124

Yep. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #73

She was old enough to know better. Clintons and victims. Tiring. snowy owl Apr 2016 #115

just how ignorant are you? Buzz cook Apr 2016 #117

That would be Bill Clinton whose sexual exploits were the problem. JimDandy Apr 2016 #32

Lewinsky did not hurt Hillary - BILL DID! Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #57

Monica knew he was married and chose to get involved with him anyway. pnwmom Apr 2016 #143

And your point? Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #172

Hillary had NOTHING to do with it and Dems shouldn't be invoking Monica's name to attack Hillary. pnwmom Apr 2016 #173

right! Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #120

Ahh I see your confusion beedle Apr 2016 #164

Her had her feelings hurt? Poor, poor Hillary. Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #128

But you defend Bill? It was that girl monica? Poor hill! Voice for Peace Apr 2016 #142

They can't use or stick to the issues that concern this country, so... -none Apr 2016 #97

Okay then. Time to dust off the videos starring Bernie and his Communist and Marxist friends. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #176

+1. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #189

nothing to see here insightdeluxe Apr 2016 #2

Bill brought the country to a new low whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #3

Using Lewinsky's name to attack Bill's WIFE is a very low blow for Bernie-so-pure to approve of. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #4

Uh, TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #8

Except, this has absolutely nothing to do with bill and only to do with Bullying. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #88

This is the look of losing Iliyah Apr 2016 #5

Yep. Sad way to exit. Hoyt Apr 2016 #7

Final throes. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #17

Exactly. A loser. Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #83

Did I just read that an "employer - subordinate sex act" being described as "former sex partner"? TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #9

Lewinsky even today insists that she approached him and it was completely consensual. pnwmom Apr 2016 #11

Regardless of what she says, it's so wrong that many states now have laws against it. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #12

The point is the Bernie campaign is using Lewinsky to attack Hillary. That's despicable. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #14

That's valid, to a degree. But, one of WJC's contributions to society are these new HR policies. nt TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #15

The point is that they are using her as an example of bullying, not of sexual harrassment. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #33

Consensual sex is not illegal (except perhaps in the military) radical noodle Apr 2016 #48

But it's not consensual when someone holds a position of power over another. (Illegal wrong word) TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #70

I don't disagree with that but radical noodle Apr 2016 #99

Woman or man: Power can be seductive, apply tacit pressure which can affect decision making. nt TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #101

Agreed... but it's their decision to make if they're adults unless being coerced radical noodle Apr 2016 #104

Coercion is a subjective term. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #106

I'm going to try to explain why it is wrong passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #127

Did you just compare a 12 and 13 year old's ability to consent to a 22 year old's? stevenleser Apr 2016 #146

I'm not comparing ages. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #149

You may not intend to but as soon as you list the ages it's the dominating factor. It's not remotely stevenleser Apr 2016 #150

Your stepfather sounds like an ass radical noodle Apr 2016 #152

Thank you. I survived. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #154

BTW, I am very sorry for what you experienced and I hope your stepfather ended up in prison stevenleser Apr 2016 #160

He never went to prison, but he did die fairly young passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #165

Yes, since Lewinsky did the approaching then perhaps she is guilty Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #161

Just because it's consensual does not mean it wasn't innapropriate. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #31

Did you post on the wrong post? TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #41

Okay - I think you are the wisest person here!!! Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #69

This has NOTHING to do with Hillary. She had no obligation to champion the woman pnwmom Apr 2016 #119

Yes, no feminist pedestal for Hillary on this. Disgusting that she never even denounced Bill JimDandy Apr 2016 #39

Not the first or LAST venture 840high Apr 2016 #50

Did I just read another attempt to derail the discussion? Yup.nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #145

If so, you possess limited critical thinking skills. Opinions, yes. Skills, questionable. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #157

Nope. I know a derail when I see it. nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #159

Yep, you're practicing in the art right now. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #162

Nope, Pointing out a derail is not derailing. nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #163

Classic obfuscation, that's all. A specialty of yours. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #166

If you think so, you don't know what obfuscation means. My point is very straightfoward. stevenleser Apr 2016 #167

In your mind it does. That's all that matters. This is going nowhere since you must win. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #169

Lewinsky has been a huge anti-bullying advocate. morningfog Apr 2016 #13

Naming Lewinsky in that intro was only done to hurt Hillary. Sanders pnwmom Apr 2016 #16

So your answer to my questions is "no." morningfog Apr 2016 #29

That is just bullshit. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #35

Yes. Manufactured poutrage is bullshit. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #42

Yes, I'm getting to know this MO all too often passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #43

"Invoking the name" - is she a demon? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #22

Ha ha ha! You are SO GOOD! Bonobo Apr 2016 #27

No kidding, they routinely trot out that essay vintx Apr 2016 #113

Monica Lewinsky has inserted herself into the campaign riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #23

I wish this beautiful woman 840high Apr 2016 #51

Rosario Dawson is the one dragging Monica into this campaign and using her as a weapon pnwmom Apr 2016 #55

Juanita Broadrrick puts paid to that lie riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #62

Juanita is a Republican tool. I don't believe anything she says. Monica is a more honest person. pnwmom Apr 2016 #67

Then you've never watched her interviews. She's 100% credible riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #74

She swore under penalty of perjury that he didn't rape her. Then, years later, pnwmom Apr 2016 #79

You obviously didn't watch her. riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #90

She gave her testimony under oath. That's the testimony I believe, pnwmom Apr 2016 #116

Do you have a link? creeksneakers2 Apr 2016 #121

Do you also put blame on children who have been sexually abused passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #133

Monica wasn't a child. She was a 22 year old college graduate when it began pnwmom Apr 2016 #136

Calling a victim a "narcissistic loony" is not a nice thing. Bonobo Apr 2016 #25

One might even call it sexist. nt dflprincess Apr 2016 #38

She was not a victim Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #46

OMG, she was just 22 years old and he was her boss and the President of the US. Bonobo Apr 2016 #47

^THIS^ SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #92

Should the age of majority be raised? treestar Apr 2016 #138

Now you kind of know how Bernie Sanders supporters feel Seeinghope Apr 2016 #58

yeah they were just two adults, equal in power relations and age, having an affair! m-lekktor Apr 2016 #75

Only in a parallel universe can the cuckquean not be the wronged and innocent party. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #26

Monical Lewinsky is a part of the historical record, and Hillary's husband has been out there on the Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #34

The *what*??? nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #94

It's the female version of a cuckold. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #95

Ummmnkay.... nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #98

"cuck" hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #131

They are not talking about Bill, but instead Monica's new campaign against bullying. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #28

fact is, Bill did something extremely stupid Baobab Apr 2016 #36

Not as high as we will pay if you Bernie groupies Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #45

The dangerous ground starts 840high Apr 2016 #53

And Hillary is? Baobab Apr 2016 #105

You're pro-bullying? That figures. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #37

I suppose Bernie smiled and nodded Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #44

A form of bullying....give me a fucking break....this is politics at a VERY high level.... Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #49

Sanders is not going to be the nominee Gothmog Apr 2016 #52

well that is about a stupid as when we were told that women who don't vote for women are all going hollysmom Apr 2016 #54

Sanders has lost all control of his camp. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2016 #65

i wouldn't really consider Rosario Dawson as Bernie's official Campaign . JI7 Apr 2016 #66

I fail to see the problem. Monica is right, bullying is bad. This was used in correct context. Unicorn Apr 2016 #71

Sanders has nothing to gain but let people see the contemptable man he is. Clinton of course will seabeyond Apr 2016 #80

And THAT underscores how YOU see them apparently. Bonobo Apr 2016 #100

84 has nothing to do with Sanders being an ass using it as a weapon against Hillary. I am certinaly seabeyond Apr 2016 #107

Sounds like someone needs to straighten you out. Bonobo Apr 2016 #108

Maybe you ought to re read my two posts instead of making shit up. seabeyond Apr 2016 #110

Monica herself says she was not the victim of sexual harassment, that she initiated it and pnwmom Apr 2016 #118

"A form of bullying" Prism Apr 2016 #84

I knew it was inevitable. I just thought that only the Republicans would stoop that low. Blaukraut Apr 2016 #102

Yup. Agree. Pathetic. MichiganVote Apr 2016 #109

How is this bad? runaway hero Apr 2016 #103

Grow Up. frustrated_lefty Apr 2016 #111

Butbutbut... he did NOT have sex, with that woman! vintx Apr 2016 #112

Why pay attention to this stuff? Non-starter. snowy owl Apr 2016 #114

Is she tough? Or not so tough? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #125

As severe despiration sets in, we can expect new lows from Bernie surrogates. riversedge Apr 2016 #130

Nailed it. Drop the mic, done. nt stevenleser Apr 2016 #147

Bill comes w the wife Voice for Peace Apr 2016 #137

Bill's popularity was at his highest AFTER his impeachment. The general population pnwmom Apr 2016 #141

Probably most of them are in old age homes. Voice for Peace Apr 2016 #144

Bernie has some hotheaded surrogates, but until he goes there personally BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #151

Better get used to it. Vinca Apr 2016 #155

6 degrees of separation. Demnorth Apr 2016 #156

Spoken like a true Hillary feminist® beedle Apr 2016 #170

The republicans will bring up all of his former sex partners. Suggest you get used to it and buy a Autumn Apr 2016 #171

At least you're admitting these people are behaving as badly as the Rethugs. Thanks. nt pnwmom Apr 2016 #177

You should try listening to what she said. I fully support what she said about Monica but then I Autumn Apr 2016 #178

She just looked for a way to insert Monica's name into her intro. What a nasty person. pnwmom Apr 2016 #179

Monica speaks out against bullying and Monica's stand on bullying fit what Autumn Apr 2016 #182

Monica is speaking out on bullying, of the kind that Bernie supporters are experts in. pnwmom Apr 2016 #186

Stings does it that she was brought up and will be brought up again? Autumn Apr 2016 #187

Well if that's how the game is playing, then Bernie's past Communist and Marxist relationships... kstewart33 Apr 2016 #175

Dawson embarrasses herself as well as the Sanders campaign by bringing this up riversedge Apr 2016 #181

Sorry, I always get confused on this relationship beedle Apr 2016 #183

Rosario has chosen to invoke the name of Monica in order to attack Hillary Clinton. pnwmom Apr 2016 #185

The Sanders campaign is losing and so are getting nasty Gothmog Apr 2016 #184