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2016 Postmortem

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retrowire

(10,345 posts)
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:15 PM May 2016

News Flash for Hillary Supporters... Bernie is not why Hillary is terrible. [View all]

Hillary, is why Hillary is a terrible candidate.

Her favorability ratings were on the downslide this entire time. Had Bernie Sanders not even EXISTED, the Democratic Party would be at the exact same place it is today. And that place is trying to coddle and protect a presumptive nominee that has more baggage than a bellhop at a really busy hotel.

Let's take note of the shit that everyone is saying about Hillary at this very moment.

1. Emails and FBI investigation. <-- An issue before Bernie ever came along.
2. Benghazi. <-- A bullshit issue, but an issue nonetheless that was there before Bernie came along.
3. Wall St ties. <-- Oh you know Bernie hammers on this, but it was an issue before he came along because of Occupy.
4. Clinton Foundation. <-- An issue before Bernie came along.
5. Her passive attitude towards BLM. <-- An issue she made for herself.
6. Her husband. <-- Something that I really don't think should matter, but it's baggage that hurts her, regardless of Bernie, hell he doesn't even talk about it.

And that's all I can think of off the top of my head.

This meme that Bernie needs to "STOP HE'S RUINING OUR CHANCES" is bullshit. He's playing by the rules as he should. These are the rules of Democracy. Neither of our candidates have acquired the magic number of pledged delegates to become the nominee. Neither of them will. And there will be a contested convention because of this. Everytime I hear someone whine about how undemocratic it is for Bernie staying in, I remember being mocked for whining about Super Delegates and being told, "That's how our democratic process works! Don't like it? Leave it!"

Well guess what! You don't like Bernie staying in and contesting the nomination? Leave it!

We need to see that Hillary is a sinking ship candidate. All Bernie is doing is reminding us of that. Even if he weren't here, she'd STILL be in this situation, the only problem would be, we wouldn't have a plan B. And the B stands for Bernie.

Get mad at him all you want. The faults of Hillary's are her OWN, and he did not create them.

Feel free to continue supporting Hillary. But think REALLY hard about the damage she is doing to the Democratic Party by staying in the race. Sinking ships sometimes make it to their destinations, sure. But consider what that ship is up against, and whether or not it's baggage can be thrown overboard.

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ETA: Kind of funny to see how many Hillary supporters quickly miss the point here. Got all defensive because I called Hillary a terrible candidate.

Here's the point in BOLD for those of you with the hurt ego.

Bernie cannot be blamed for Hillary's faults. The meme that is going around that Bernie should drop out because he's ruining her chances, is not his doing. Now, you may comment appropriately on the topic. Thank you.
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Newsflash! She beat Bernie TERRIBLY bravenak May 2016 #1
How sad that you must repeat that over and over trying to get yourself to believe it. rhett o rick May 2016 #14
She beat Bernie TERRIBLY bravenak May 2016 #15
Spank that monkey! mindwalker_i May 2016 #18
Blacks and women and minorities came together to beat him. Deal with it bravenak May 2016 #26
Ah, the goto issue: sexism/racism mindwalker_i May 2016 #48
Shoulda been more diverse and you all might have won bravenak May 2016 #53
The sad thing is that nobody said that mindwalker_i May 2016 #57
It came from here and there and everywhere bravenak May 2016 #60
Ah, the BerneBro argument mindwalker_i May 2016 #66
Says the oppressed white folks bravenak May 2016 #76
Proves my point exactly mindwalker_i May 2016 #90
. bravenak May 2016 #92
Another common tactic by Hill supporters mindwalker_i May 2016 #100
Wah! bravenak May 2016 #102
Same thing here mindwalker_i May 2016 #107
You still goin? bravenak May 2016 #119
Yes, and the sad thing is mindwalker_i May 2016 #195
There are two clear sides, the progressives (Sanders side) that historically have worked hard rhett o rick May 2016 #89
Yup, but it won't make a dent in the faithful mindwalker_i May 2016 #101
Authoritarian Adulation rhett o rick May 2016 #105
It's not racist/sexist to point out a fact...Hillary won over POC and women, Bernie didn't. all american girl May 2016 #183
It's a non-sequitur mindwalker_i May 2016 #196
Just talking about who voted for her isn't racist/sexist, it is just what it is...facts all american girl May 2016 #199
Your husband is a man? mindwalker_i May 2016 #202
Yes, husband means a man...know i making it into rasist/sexist but berinie supporters not all american girl May 2016 #207
They did come together RoccoR5955 May 2016 #91
So what? bravenak May 2016 #94
I guess that the general election does not matter. RoccoR5955 May 2016 #99
And Idaho is sooo liberal...who won that state...or how about Nebraska or Kansas all american girl May 2016 #184
The argument of a person without an argument... Buddyblazon May 2016 #111
Blah blah blah bravenak May 2016 #114
Yeah Bravenak...women are winning!!!!!!!!!! all american girl May 2016 #182
LOL +1 B Calm May 2016 #171
LOL. Those that never wanted Sanders to run really don't believe in democracy. rhett o rick May 2016 #19
Her got beat very badly by her bravenak May 2016 #22
She betrayed her Party and her country when she joined Bush to invade Iraq. rhett o rick May 2016 #31
He betrayed us by trying to go after Trump voters bravenak May 2016 #35
Maybe you didn't see what BLM had to say about Hillary. rhett o rick May 2016 #49
I do not CARE what they say about it. Nobody runs me just because we both black. bravenak May 2016 #51
No but you try to say that Sanders supporters need to be more diverse. The bottom line is rhett o rick May 2016 #54
Better off with Hillary than Sanders who just wants to bring back working class whites bravenak May 2016 #56
Sadly you turn your back on progressives that have always been there. Hillary hasn't. She rhett o rick May 2016 #63
You guys turned your backs on us immediately. All we saw was your badside bravenak May 2016 #75
This is a class war and Goldman-Sachs isn't on the same side as the People. rhett o rick May 2016 #79
Goldman sachs has not a damn thing to do with how YOU treated US. bravenak May 2016 #81
Good grief. Good luck with Goldman-Sachs. rhett o rick May 2016 #95
It's her turn damnit! RoccoR5955 May 2016 #97
You repeat a lot of things as well CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #124
Goldman sachs!! bravenak May 2016 #127
If you've read one Bobbie Jo May 2016 #146
Number 1 Hillary Apologist! Chasstev365 May 2016 #43
I want my damn trophy bravenak May 2016 #47
You already have a club and use it so well. :) Hortensis May 2016 #180
Actually she's much more than that. Much more Arazi May 2016 #72
Stop paying attention to me then. All that searhing me all over the net has been nasty bravenak May 2016 #77
Months of smearing Bernie and his supporters as racist/sexist while you had your own bigotry Arazi May 2016 #83
I'm not the type to doxx folks. I have an actual fucking life bravenak May 2016 #85
This isn't about doxxing Arazi May 2016 #98
It damn sure is and you know it. bravenak May 2016 #108
Nah, I only pay real attention on DU to those who've shown their shit Arazi May 2016 #117
Yeah okay bravenak May 2016 #118
I thought this would be appropriate chwaliszewski May 2016 #59
It will be fun to look back over these threads in a few weeks bravenak May 2016 #61
I would like your honest opinion of us diehard Bernie supporters... chwaliszewski May 2016 #73
Privileged bravenak May 2016 #74
Some, most, or all? chwaliszewski May 2016 #113
Damn straight. Never get pulled over just because you black bravenak May 2016 #115
Can't say that I have. That would completely justify your attitude of thinking I'm privileged. chwaliszewski May 2016 #125
I came from the hood in south central la bravenak May 2016 #126
Sorry to hear about your plight... chwaliszewski May 2016 #135
What a silly thing to say. Plight? Thats just black life bravenak May 2016 #136
Wasn't trying to be silly. chwaliszewski May 2016 #142
Neither one of them will fix it. bravenak May 2016 #143
Well, I for one wish you nothing but good luck for the rest of your life. chwaliszewski May 2016 #148
Good fortune to yourself as well bravenak May 2016 #149
oppression goes from something very abstract to something very real forjusticethunders May 2016 #181
Love your sig line. 840high May 2016 #88
Feel free to use it. chwaliszewski May 2016 #116
Thanks. 840high May 2016 #122
Very appropriate! nt Duval May 2016 #188
NEWSFLASH, the CORPORATE MEDIA MADE IT THAT WAY ON PURPOSE. pansypoo53219 May 2016 #67
Lol, yet she is still losing states to him! get a clue! Nt Logical May 2016 #164
Perhaps among Democrats. BUT NOT AMONG INDEPENDENTS: Herman4747 May 2016 #185
Well DUH the contest was for the DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINATION!! workinclasszero May 2016 #190
Because we are concerned about the viability of our candidate... Herman4747 May 2016 #193
If your weakass candidate can't even win his own party's nomination....(Sanders a democrat HA!) workinclasszero May 2016 #194
Decent question. Herman4747 May 2016 #198
Any general election poll taken now is meaningless workinclasszero May 2016 #200
It's "meaningless" because you want it to be... Herman4747 May 2016 #205
OMG workinclasszero May 2016 #206
Beat the living hell out of him actually workinclasszero May 2016 #189
It took a great deal of voter suppression to get her to this point Time for change May 2016 #197
Good to see your contribution to the discourse is as elevated as ever n/t Scootaloo May 2016 #203
Bernie came in 2nd place to a terrible candidate is what you are saying I guess. Trenzalore May 2016 #2
A News Flash for Bernie Supporters, Hillary nor DWS is the reason why Sanders is not a better Thinkingabout May 2016 #3
Newsflash! Hillary is not terrible and the phrase "Madam President" has a nice ring to it. Arkansas Granny May 2016 #4
Congrats for being the only one to give a reply that is on topic. retrowire May 2016 #6
She is clearly a friend of the Oligarchy and not the 99%. Why not choose a friend of rhett o rick May 2016 #16
I'm not choosing friends. I don't dislike Bernie, but I think Hillary is the best candidate. Arkansas Granny May 2016 #40
After the Rich and Powerful manipulated the election system Hillary is ahead. Funny how people that rhett o rick May 2016 #58
Too bad it's not only Democrats that vote in a election TrueDemVA May 2016 #64
Democrats have established themselves as the Party that goes along to get along. Maedhros May 2016 #65
Like the ring of steel jail doors slamming timmymoff May 2016 #24
There are a lot of people that don't believe she is honest. Her lies in 2002 about WMD in rhett o rick May 2016 #52
HRC's substantial flaws are neither Bernie's fault nor do they warrant his supporters' overlooking JudyM May 2016 #5
And yet, BS is being beaten in the Primaries by Secretary Clinton ... that must be embarrassing n/t SFnomad May 2016 #7
If the nomination should become worthless to Clinton, Tal Vez May 2016 #8
Hillary is great. She has a wonderful platform, she has MADem May 2016 #9
MISLEADING AS HELL. Herman4747 May 2016 #186
You say maintaining the status quo is a "workable idea?" immoderate May 2016 #208
News Flash Sanders supporters. Clinton is not terrible, hence her win. seabeyond May 2016 #10
Yep, what a terrible candidate rock May 2016 #11
3 million is another Clinton lie. That excludes the caucus states. Just another Clinton lie. rhett o rick May 2016 #23
Yep, that's what they all chose to do in this thread retrowire May 2016 #30
Hi rhett rock May 2016 #39
Hillary is not terrible; Bernie is the reason many liberals wrongly claim she is. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2016 #12
either you didnt read my OP or... retrowire May 2016 #13
One thing no liberal claims timmymoff May 2016 #27
Praise for Nancy Reagan Betty Karlson May 2016 #17
And there's so many here that don't seem to care. retrowire May 2016 #25
For example Califonz May 2016 #38
Pretty shocking indeed. Truly DINO-territory. eom Betty Karlson May 2016 #45
eww wow. nt retrowire May 2016 #46
3,033,824 votes, 270 pledged delegates Tarc May 2016 #20
Grats on being the ninth poster to be insecure and miss the point of the OP. retrowire May 2016 #21
As Herm Edwards said, Tarc May 2016 #28
Still clutching those pearls eh? XD retrowire May 2016 #32
And yet you still have no answer to the question of "what is the point" ? Tarc May 2016 #69
Oh the point was in the op. retrowire May 2016 #71
Ahh, you're one of those who doesn't actually know the definition of "contested". Tarc May 2016 #78
Has never actually voted in a presidential election. Of course he cannot know! bravenak May 2016 #82
Hmmm... retrowire May 2016 #86
Seth Abramson, #3 Bernie shill behind Goodman and Shaun King ? Tarc May 2016 #96
Hmmm, he explained the math did he not? retrowire May 2016 #104
Insecure? How about all you BSS being in denial redstateblues May 2016 #50
I'm not in denial? I understand that a contested convention will happen. retrowire May 2016 #55
Newsflash for Bernie supporters, we don't care about Bernie as a candidate. It's over. nt stevenleser May 2016 #29
Mkay darling, that's not the point of the OP but mkay. XD nt retrowire May 2016 #34
Sure it is and that's why you mention Bernie. He's irrelevant as a candidate now. nt stevenleser May 2016 #87
Hey are you going to inexplicably support Bernie if he gives a concession speech? retrowire May 2016 #103
Newsflash to Fox pundit: The OP'S point is not about Bernie. ms liberty May 2016 #133
reckless neocon regime change Libya, double-crossing voters on Colombia FTA, Honduras, UBS, TPP, amborin May 2016 #33
Bernie voted for regime change in Libya, voted against the Brady Bill redstateblues May 2016 #44
Growl Dem2 May 2016 #36
They clearly aren't lmao. nt retrowire May 2016 #42
That makes Bernie more horrible. She is beating him by a significant margin redstateblues May 2016 #37
Don't care. You missed the point. Here's your cookie. nt retrowire May 2016 #41
And Nixon won the presidency. twice. Greatest president!!! JonLeibowitz May 2016 #62
and Bernie can't even win the Democratic nomination? redstateblues May 2016 #161
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #68
Bernie had nothing to do with welfare reform, tough on crime jwirr May 2016 #70
JUNE 14 MFM008 May 2016 #80
Their tunnel vision is just amazing... vi5 May 2016 #84
Very well said. retrowire May 2016 #93
Wish my friends were your friends. Mine can't be bothered to care. Depressing. snowy owl May 2016 #110
Well if it makes you feel any better... retrowire May 2016 #112
I am sure the political revolution will continue. Duval May 2016 #191
The attitude of infallibility I see from Hillary supporters makes me nervous... TCJ70 May 2016 #129
Are you kidding me? vi5 May 2016 #175
And Bernie came in BEHIND HER! Lil Missy May 2016 #106
K&R smiley May 2016 #109
Clinton is not in trouble. As soon as we can kick Sanders to the curb, she can get on it and will do seabeyond May 2016 #120
See post #84. retrowire May 2016 #121
"See post #84." No thank you. seabeyond May 2016 #123
Typical! hands over eyes lalalalalala. oh well. nt retrowire May 2016 #130
Nu uh. seabeyond May 2016 #134
That Sanders is one resilient opponent, no? chwaliszewski May 2016 #150
No, he is not. He lost. He is an inept and childish loser. seabeyond May 2016 #158
How come the primary is still going if he lost? chwaliszewski May 2016 #162
Lol, she is doing a terrible job of wrapping this up. Nt Logical May 2016 #165
I agree with everything you said, except, Nyan May 2016 #128
that sounded like you agreed with me retrowire May 2016 #131
K&R!!!! Phlem May 2016 #132
We have two terrible candidates, neither of whom is to blame for the other, but both of whom Recursion May 2016 #137
Theres a novel opinion. hmm... nt retrowire May 2016 #139
I feel it strongly. This is the literal two worst candidates we could have narrowed down to Recursion May 2016 #140
It helps to see opinions like these. retrowire May 2016 #141
Any of them but Schweitzer bravenak May 2016 #144
One more day.... LenaBaby61 May 2016 #138
Well said, and I agree ms liberty May 2016 #145
Might I ask why that was your opinion so early on? nt retrowire May 2016 #147
More or less what was in the OP, plus some other things. ms liberty May 2016 #159
You get some sleep then! :) retrowire May 2016 #160
Bernie is a whiny sore loser who cares only for himself. Demsrule86 May 2016 #151
Hmmm.... retrowire May 2016 #152
Stay away from RW media. ucrdem May 2016 #153
Literally the most close minded response to this thread. nt retrowire May 2016 #156
Funny how we pretty much agree the MSM libdem4life May 2016 #204
KICK Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #154
They're already blaming Bernie. retrowire May 2016 #155
Possibly worse...anyone else..but Bernie..would be all over laserhaas May 2016 #157
You can try to rearrange things as much as you want. JoePhilly May 2016 #163
WOOOOSH lmao. nt retrowire May 2016 #169
Wow! Where did that come from? Duval May 2016 #192
CLINTON FOUNDATION and CLINTONIAN $100+ million in speaking fees. mhatrw May 2016 #166
Exactly, Hillary lost me long before she even announced her candidacy. Bernie running was Live and Learn May 2016 #167
Amen eom noiretextatique May 2016 #168
The meme is not that Bernie should drop out, just that he should focus his attacks on Trump oberliner May 2016 #170
but hes still in the primary so thats not logical. retrowire May 2016 #172
It is somewhat logical oberliner May 2016 #173
I understand what youre saying retrowire May 2016 #174
I mostly agree with you oberliner May 2016 #179
She is a great candidate! apcalc May 2016 #176
And everyone agrees with you. /:) nt retrowire May 2016 #177
Kicked and rec'd. MaeScott May 2016 #178
All of this is true. Duval May 2016 #187
Newsflash TeacherB87 May 2016 #201
I don't think Bernie beltanefauve May 2016 #209
All she has to do is come off as more reliable than Trump. TeacherB87 May 2016 #210
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