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Gothmog

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28. In every contested primary since adoption of super delegates, the winner is announced based on SDs
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:52 PM
May 2016

Great article on how in every primary contest since the creation of super delegates, the winner was declared the presumptive nominee based on the inclusion of super delegates. http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/29/1532358/-What-Does-It-Mean-to-Clinch-the-Nomination-When-Superdelegates-Are-Involved

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After reading a number of impassioned defenses of why the Democratic presidential nomination should not be called next week on June 7th, I got curious. What’s the history here, since the superdelegates were added to the process? When a Democratic candidate hits the magic number of pledged delegates plus superdelegates, are they the nominee?

The answer: history says the first person to get to the magic number is the presumptive nominee, and says it unambiguously, even if the losers often disagree.

Here’s how it has gone since the superdelegates were added to the process.....

Summary

Anyway, I started this research 12 hours ago to answer a question for myself, so that as everyone on TV is spinning things this way and that on June 7th I have some context. What, if anything, have I learned?

First, most non-incumbent candidates have needed superdelegates to win, and the history of superdelegates has been that once a Democrat hits the magic number and becomes the nominee, superdelegates are more likely to flow to the nominee than from them.

Also, in the history of the superdelegates, they have always ended up supporting the decision of the pledged delegates, and their most important contribution has been to amplify leads of the pledged delegate winner so that they can be assured success on a first ballot, and avoid the sort of messy convention that harms a general campaign.

The major thing I’ve learned is that the press declares, and has always declared, the winner after they hit the magic number, and has done so in far more nebulous circumstances than this. Even in 1984, in which Hart won by a number of other metrics, in which the delegate count was the arbiter, and Mondale announced himself as the nominee, even with 38 percent of the popular vote to Hart’s 36 percent—even then, Hart may have claimed he still had a cunning plan, but no one begrudged Mondale the fact he was, for all intents and purposes, the nominee.

When you think about it, that simply has to happen. Things need to get done, and they need the nominee to do them. Except for Reagan in 1976, who chose a running mate after Gerald Ford was made the nominee, there aren’t a whole lot of non-nominee candidates going to the convention with their own vice president picked out. You get to do that because the numbers say you’re the nominee.

Meeting this number also allows the nominee to do the work of campaigning before the convention, establishing a message, building capacity on the ground, etc.

The press, for its part, has always understood this, from 1984 onward, and has named the nominee (or the “presumptive nominee”) the minute the candidate crosses the line with their combination of pledged and supers, and usually said something to the effect that they had “clinched” the nomination. They did that when Mondale had won far fewer states than Hart. They did that when Dukakis did not have 50 percent of the pledged delegates. They did that when Obama had not won the popular vote (yes, I know, Michigan—I hope we’re still not fighting this?).

This is a well researched article and confirms that the nomination process will be over on Tuesday June 7, 2016 when the results of the New Jersey primary are announced.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Secretary Clinton cliches the nomination on June 7th ... everything else is #BernieMath n/t SFnomad May 2016 #1
Yep. ucrdem May 2016 #6
She cannot reach 2383 pledged delegates on June 7. senz May 2016 #33
Secretary Clinton doesn't have to reach 2383 pledged delegates, ever ... that's #BernieMath SFnomad May 2016 #41
Nope. Not in pledged delegates. bkkyosemite May 2016 #2
The OIG report was a mild hand slap, nothing more. COLGATE4 May 2016 #3
The OIG said she violated the law. And, worse, it referenced four emails morningfog May 2016 #9
There was no violation of any law. She may have violated Department COLGATE4 May 2016 #12
State regulations implementing statutory law are laws. morningfog May 2016 #13
What are the penalties for these admin law violations? COLGATE4 May 2016 #14
Really high bar you've set there for your candidate. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #30
Soon she will be all Democrats nominee. nt WhiteTara May 2016 #37
Same as for Colin Powell. COLGATE4 May 2016 #47
A republican. How apropos. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #48
"She will undoubtedly secure the majority of the pledged delegates next week" Dem2 May 2016 #4
Just like obama didn't clinch the general election until the electoral college voted. geek tragedy May 2016 #5
I agree, sanders real nature is being revealed and I gotta say we are dodging a bullet beachbum bob May 2016 #7
Yep! pandr32 May 2016 #40
Obama clinched when Hillary dropped out. morningfog May 2016 #8
Not true. He clinched when he had both the pledged delegate win and overall delegate win. geek tragedy May 2016 #11
"dead end supporters" sick of the insults constant insults. bkkyosemite May 2016 #10
They're asleep....they're us before findrskeep May 2016 #15
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." Reiyuki May 2016 #34
Yep, just like virtually every other time. Garrett78 May 2016 #16
presumptive nominee = clinched nomination = President of the United States nt asuhornets May 2016 #17
word salad = lack of critical thought = talking bot regurgitating bot nt morningfog May 2016 #20
LOL... you lose asuhornets May 2016 #22
LOL....yes, IQ points with every post of yours I read. morningfog May 2016 #24
Yep. The coming contested convention ought not to frighten her supporters. Orsino May 2016 #18
I don't think Clinton supporters are frightened. Garrett78 May 2016 #32
A deal is certainly possible which might include concession. Orsino May 2016 #38
Most of the media declared the 2008 primary over on May 6th Tarc May 2016 #19
Yes, the media will. Everyone will refer to her as the presumptive nominee. morningfog May 2016 #21
I am going to give you your space... asuhornets May 2016 #23
Staying in until the convention is wisest & most honorable for Bernie. senz May 2016 #44
You're clearly confusing "clinching" with "winning." She'll clinch next week, then win @ convention. BobbyDrake May 2016 #25
If Bernie wants to continue his quixotic campaign/WeaverDevine Retirement Fund tritsofme May 2016 #26
Because Bernie is going to sweet talk 500 superdelegates to switch? Gomez163 May 2016 #27
In every contested primary since adoption of super delegates, the winner is announced based on SDs Gothmog May 2016 #28
I mostly agree with you, except firebrand80 May 2016 #29
Yes she will. (This is a silly post.) NurseJackie May 2016 #31
I don't give a shit what you believe. morningfog May 2016 #35
Bernie's supporters want him to stay on to the convention. senz May 2016 #36
I agree, and he's doing exactly what he promised, fighting all the way to the convention. eom DookDook May 2016 #39
"NEW RULES"--You forgot ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #42
Lol. See you at the floor vote. morningfog May 2016 #43
There is no way she won't be the nominnee. It is WRITTEN. n/t leeroysphitz May 2016 #45
Again with this crap??? Beacool May 2016 #46
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