2016 Postmortem

Ken Burch

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Right, elleng Jun 2016 #1

WHY did the Platform Committee reject $15? randome Jun 2016 #2

That's an easy one. Pressure from their corporate sponsors. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #15

Except you're 100% wrong. $15 MW is IN! Hortensis Jun 2016 #163

In a discussion, wouldn't you say that it's a little audacious to tell the other person that rhett o rick Jun 2016 #167

Check out how awkward their vote against the $15 minimum wage was. w4rma Jun 2016 #30

Sound poor- what did Lewis vote? Which C supporter? Thanks. George Eliot Jun 2016 #51

There are only 5 Bernie nominees and only 6 voted for the $15, while 8 voted against. w4rma Jun 2016 #55

So we can assume Lewis voted against it? That's news IMO. George Eliot Jun 2016 #83

Lewis isn't on the platform draft comittee. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #92

Lewis isn't on the committee. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #96

It's possible the poster saw a shot of Elijah Cummings and thought it was John Lewis. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #157

Lewis isn't on the platform draft comittee Scootaloo Jun 2016 #90

Oh! My faux pas...I knew that. But was Frank ejected? Does chair vote? George Eliot Jun 2016 #101

Because the platform committee was stacked against those who favor a $15/hr. minimum wage Vote2016 Jun 2016 #188

Most of the platform is "our" stuff, not his or hers. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #3

Yes, because there is still this assumption that the Sanders campaign Ken Burch Jun 2016 #7

In the real world, most of us are on the same side already. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #12

Economic justice is just as real an issue as gun control and choice. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #26

And yet you keep talking about them. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #37

Only to prove I had no offensive intent, despite your implications Ken Burch Jun 2016 #43

Maybe you have an idea as to why the $15 min wage was rejected. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #16

Corporate donor pressure. That's pretty much it. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #36

The power of the establishment. We voted it so accept it. George Eliot Jun 2016 #73

The bitterness of this primary proves that the Democratic Party rhett o rick Jun 2016 #21

Actually, it means nothing of the sort. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #35

Millions of Democrats stepped forward to support the Progressive side of our party. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #41

Well the two sides are fighting over the platform. The Progressives want a livable min wage rhett o rick Jun 2016 #58

Let me educate you, 15 dollars is NOT a livable wage still_one Jun 2016 #42

I agree completely, it's much higher but we can't even get some Democrats to even work towards rhett o rick Jun 2016 #57

Does the question come down to this, what is the highest minimum wage a person can receive, and still_one Jun 2016 #76

That is what Seattle has tried to do. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #85

Were they able to come up with something that worked for smaller businesses that do not take in as still_one Jun 2016 #89

Hey lets drop it to a dollar a day. hollowdweller Jun 2016 #117

You bankrupt businesses, and there are no jobs to pay a living wage FOR. MadDAsHell Jun 2016 #134

We are one hell of a long way from "bankrupting" businesses. For big companies like McDonalds rhett o rick Jun 2016 #141

About 30-35% Sgent Jun 2016 #144

"It's true that increasing wages on companies like McDonald's would likely lead to higher costs and rhett o rick Jun 2016 #166

If I ever ate there, I'd be willing to pay an extra dollar for a "meal". libdem4life Jun 2016 #178

I also don't eat fast foods and almost zero beef. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #180

I even went Vegan for a few years, but having a son, libdem4life Jun 2016 #181

In some places it is a livable wage. And it beats what we've got.. George Eliot Jun 2016 #70

It is actually more complicated than that. I was also referring to the bay area, where generally it still_one Jun 2016 #87

No, I basically disagree. We must pay for goods a price that will enable George Eliot Jun 2016 #94

You brought in several issues. Let me take the last first. A business model that cannot pay a still_one Jun 2016 #111

A business that cannot pay $15 an hour is unsustainable. George Eliot Jun 2016 #121

$15 minimum wage Sgent Jun 2016 #145

in the SF bay area it would be a lot more still_one Jun 2016 #155

You are bringing up some good points still_one Jun 2016 #156

Sounds like you're agreeing with Hillary's position. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #108

So you are arguing for Trumps idea? hollowdweller Jun 2016 #119

It's closer to liveable than $12. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #77

Then why spend time on it? I've referred to the fifties Repub platform George Eliot Jun 2016 #62

I didn't suggest that they shouldn't spend time on it. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #69

You implied the template governs building the current platform. George Eliot Jun 2016 #78

The 2012 platform is the natural starting point. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #86

Do you really Old Codger Jun 2016 #4

If they want to win, they need to. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #6

It depends on how you define "us". TwilightZone Jun 2016 #8

Thanks for the post. riversedge Jun 2016 #18

Interesting how some feel the need to characterize anyone who doesn't agree on something as "waste" still_one Jun 2016 #60

I think it was the decision being compared to "waste", not those who made it. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #146

Why wasn't the second option stated as: "I disagree with this position" used? still_one Jun 2016 #148

Don't know. Wasn't the way I'd have worded it. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #149

I know you would not have worded it that way. We are not going to be in agreement on still_one Jun 2016 #150

I do agree with you that it was a stupid bit of phraseology on the OP's part. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #151

Now I am confused. There are threads out there saying the 15 min wage is in the platform still_one Jun 2016 #153

I'm confused, too. Hope they get this cleared up. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #154

I am sure it will get cleared up one way or another. Actually, if this was an issue with still_one Jun 2016 #159

That's my fear hollowdweller Jun 2016 #120

They think we are like them and will fall in line no matter how we are treated. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #22

never again will I settle and i wont be bullied. If this country goes down, I won't go with it swhisper1 Jun 2016 #63

I'm with you. I, too, have options. George Eliot Jun 2016 #88

Sadly Old Codger Jun 2016 #39

Perfectly put. I'm smiling. Thanks. Still so much angst and emotion. George Eliot Jun 2016 #80

Except that platforms usually mean very little to the voters... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #5

usually, true, but this year we are watching to see if we get 45% of the attention. so far, swhisper1 Jun 2016 #66

I am afraid that the party will learn nothing from the Brexit results and... Bonhomme Richard Jun 2016 #9

Neo-liberal capitalism is headed over the cliff. They can't stop it because their greed is rhett o rick Jun 2016 #17

YES - "their greed" SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #64

Are you referring to Hillary Clinton? sheshe2 Jun 2016 #138

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #142

Eight bones an hour yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #10

Her positions ARE progressive. There's nothing conservative about $12 w/ option for more. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #11

Certainly not when the other side wants to get rid of the minimum wage entirely. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #13

The old "good cop, bad cop" routine... Human101948 Jun 2016 #44

It can't be a progressive platform it if is nothing but her positions. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #28

Are you saying progressive isn't progressive unless it comes from Bernie? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #31

No. But at least SOME of it needs to be Sanders stuff. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #34

No, it really doesn't DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #59

*lmao* Hydra Jun 2016 #75

That's not at all what I said DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #79

$12 isn't feasible with Republicans. They think it should be lower than it is right now. Hydra Jun 2016 #95

That's what Trump says right? hollowdweller Jun 2016 #124

Right. NOTHING is "hers" or "his." Hortensis Jun 2016 #160

15 an hour came from the people not Sanders. hollowdweller Jun 2016 #123

True. Even more reason it should have been there. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #126

The Fight for 15 is a national movement Ash_F Jun 2016 #152

it is not a living wage swhisper1 Jun 2016 #67

Doubling a 1968 min wage is not unreasonable. George Eliot Jun 2016 #105

We're arguing over the size of the BIGGEST increase ever. Consider how absurd that is. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #109

Who cares the size of the increase. Only because neglected in past. George Eliot Jun 2016 #112

Let's be accurate then. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #161

Thanks for the reality check- 12$ as a floor has support w Dems in the senate- 15$ does not. bettyellen Jun 2016 #125

Clinton's platform is progressive Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #14

This statement has be confused: "Regarding the minimum wage: Democrats believe it should be a living rhett o rick Jun 2016 #19

Democrats support a raise in the min. wage to a living wage. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #23

Again, I am confused. You say, "Democrats support a raise in the min. wage to a living wage." rhett o rick Jun 2016 #25

Yes, we appear to be talking over each other. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #27

You seem to be saying that you agree with Hillary that $12 / hour is a living wage. Do you? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #32

Of course it depends on the location. Here: Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #38

One adult and one child living wage here is $24.19 and yet some DEmocrats are fighting to keep it rhett o rick Jun 2016 #54

It doesn't matter what either Rhett or Hillary think. It is congress. Unless she vetoed -which won't kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #45

So let me see if I get this. We can only raise the min wage to the lowest livable wage for rhett o rick Jun 2016 #50

60's min wage in todays dollars over $8.00 an hour. $15 ok 2016. George Eliot Jun 2016 #113

In Seattle the living wage for one adult with one child is close to $25. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #140

not in denver, or santa fe or any calif city, 12 is an insult. swhisper1 Jun 2016 #49

Sounds like a rationalization to keep the min wage as low as possible. Their post not your. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #52

its frustrating that they continually fall for the "can't" decree. Not democratic at all swhisper1 Jun 2016 #56

and then call it "progressive" - unbelievable George Eliot Jun 2016 #114

alot of companies are now paying 15 and are seeing greater profits and happy employees swhisper1 Jun 2016 #53

You can't just say "she's progressive." She's not. Her rhetoric is liberal. George Eliot Jun 2016 #110

The platform is ceremonial KingFlorez Jun 2016 #20

If so why are the non-progressives fighting so hard to keep the min wage down? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #24

If it is ceremonial, there is no good reason for HRC's reps to say "no" to everything Sanders wants. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #29

It's very important to punish progressives. They are talking about primarying Sen Sanders rhett o rick Jun 2016 #33

Who is "they?" Did not hear this. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #46

I'd love to see it. It would prove his value to Vermont and NH. George Eliot Jun 2016 #118

Arguing over a ceremonial platform is pointless KingFlorez Jun 2016 #40

HRC also rejected the position on trade SHE held in the primary on trade Ken Burch Jun 2016 #48

You seem to be conflating the platform committee with HRC. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #72

It was her people rejecting the TPP plank. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #74

He's the sitting President, the defacto head of the party, and an individual SaschaHM Jun 2016 #82

lol, he's the head of the party. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #91

Answer his point: her people reversing what she campaigned on. George Eliot Jun 2016 #131

It's the party platform, not the Hillary platform. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #136

You want it both ways: it either reflects her campaign or it doesn't George Eliot Jun 2016 #137

If it is "the party platform", no single candidate should have a majority on the Platform Committee. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #147

They're representing the party TwilightZone Jun 2016 #165

We don't have to take a position that nothing the current administration is doing Ken Burch Jun 2016 #169

Yes, Democracy is so "pointless". Just let the authoritarian leaders decide. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #139

Not everyone agrees... George Eliot Jun 2016 #116

this was not a hard give, I fear the DNC is going to vote 3rd way on everything, so trust is broken swhisper1 Jun 2016 #47

She said incremental and she won with incremental. So be it. George Eliot Jun 2016 #128

Losing with 43% of the vote, doesn't entitle you to 43% of the platform. SaschaHM Jun 2016 #61

"non-contentious" things would only be trivial side issues, though. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #68

There is not a doubt in my mind... SaschaHM Jun 2016 #81

Sanders wins amendments because he compromises. I believe he would. George Eliot Jun 2016 #129

During the campaign Clinton claimed to have changed her mind about the TPP dflprincess Jun 2016 #189

I've never heard the Sanders side propose any compromise. They would definitely insist on their way. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #107

Not true. There would be outreach on the areas of Sanders' program that POC thought were too weak Ken Burch Jun 2016 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author Still In Wisconsin Jun 2016 #99

I agree - we shoulod crush all minority opinion SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #103

Or maybe you shoud just win next time... SaschaHM Jun 2016 #104

I win every time! SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #106

It's not a coalition - it's a winner take all system. The loser is not entitled to a percentage Lil Missy Jun 2016 #65

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This message was self-deleted by its author Still In Wisconsin Jun 2016 #98

15 min wage didn't start with Sanders hollowdweller Jun 2016 #127

Progressives = losers. Welcome to the new DU. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #143

has that horse left the barn? nashville_brook Jun 2016 #84

And it's not as though low wages and TPP don't disproportionately harm women and POC Ken Burch Jun 2016 #93

precisely. nashville_brook Jun 2016 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author Still In Wisconsin Jun 2016 #97

It's just a platform RobertEarl Jun 2016 #100

Now that's progressive. George Eliot Jun 2016 #133

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That really makes me sad. hollowdweller Jun 2016 #115

Please tell me this is satire. Sparkly Jun 2016 #122

Very sad, looking at the party platform. Xyzse Jun 2016 #132

Which makes Trump even more dangerous. George Eliot Jun 2016 #135

I am hearing different stories now, that the 15 min wage was approved still_one Jun 2016 #158

Good post. To underline: $15 MW is IN! Hortensis Jun 2016 #162

I like Karen Finney. She is a terrific spokesperson for Hillary still_one Jun 2016 #164

Here is the working link to Karen Finney's twitter post. w4rma Jun 2016 #170

Thanks, w4rma. I like Finney too, Still One. Hortensis Jun 2016 #171

That said, the current platform language that Finney/Clinton supports, is weak and ineffectual w4rma Jun 2016 #173

Yes, well first we have to get elected. Hortensis Jun 2016 #175

I remember when President Obama had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and a House majority. w4rma Jun 2016 #176

Obama NEVER had a "supermajority." Hortensis Jun 2016 #177

Sen. LIEberman was number 60. The New Democrats backed LIEberman in his general election over the w4rma Jun 2016 #179

Sorry, but no. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #182

So why vote for corporate Democrats, like that, in primaries? (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #183

The Sen. Lieberman who endorsed MCCAIN for president Hortensis Jun 2016 #185

Joe Lieberman who establishment Democrats endorsed in the primaries and unofficially supported in w4rma Jun 2016 #186

Turns out it was never rejected after all. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #172

You should probably edit your opening line, since it's wrong. Brickbat Jun 2016 #174

Please get your news from somewhere else other than the echo chamber.Platform is reflecting Bernie's Fla Dem Jun 2016 #184

You may be in the wrong party. Not all Democrats favor progressive policies. Vote2016 Jun 2016 #187