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cascadiance

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33. The press itself is mentioned specifically in the constitution. Corporations are not!
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jan 2016

I'm saying that there are LEGISLATIVE ways to fix the problems you are citing with the NAACP. I've not studied that case, but the whole point behind the way our founders wrote the constitution to delineate the difference between artificial and natural persons was to ensure that the former we as natural persons have the power to regulate and write legislation managing that. The latter is that we as natural persons (aka HUMAN BEINGS!!!) have inherent rights guaranteed to us that can't have those rights taken away from us. If we give the latter to organizations and corporations, then we are throwing away our rights relative to these groups. You are right! We can't have it both ways! Organizations cANNOT logically or legally be considered the equivalent of human beings. To say they are is falling in to line with the CORPORATIST CRAP that has been spoon fed to both Republicans and corporate Democrats (aka DLC and Third Way sycophants) to serve the growing fascist oligarchy. Sorry, but there are some of us that just won't suck up that warped reasoning.

If there were problems in addressing this case, and I'll look at it later when I have more time, then fix it legislatively the way it should be! And I don't want to hear that we have to resort to warping the constitution because a majority Republican congress getting in the way. The reason why we have that more corporate driven Republican congress is that we had corporate personhood fuel the Citizen's United decision along with right wing justices on the Supreme Court that you seem to want to agree with that used that judicial activist law enacted by an F'ing corrupt court clerk's head note, to put that crap in place. Another reason why we need a constitutional amendment to fix this corporate personhood problem and the language of the 14th amendment to be true to what its original authors had intended, and not warped the way corporate lobbyists have done over the years.

And mind you, I've warned folks here that there are other pieces that need to be also taken in to consideration when drafting this amendment too, and that is the potential effect of the modern day interpretation of the 5th amendment and our rights of privacy, which isn't up to date with the needs of the digital age now. If companies like google and facebook throw up their hands and say that since they no longer "own" the privacy of OUR data on their servers, then the can't stop the government from mining every piece of info on their machines. In my book, we should be using copyright law that has been used to serve the interests of corporate america as precedent to say that we ourselves can own the privacy of the data on google's and facebook's servers virtuatlly in the same fashion that copyright owners own the rights to songs that people download on to their home computers. Overturning corporate personhood isn't going to be a simple process, but it is a process that is absolutely necessary if we're going to preserve the rights of everyone in this democracy that our founders had intended us to have. You may want to work around the beliefs and work of our founders, but I don't.

Bernie Sanders TSIAS Jan 2016 #1
Let them add it to the 'the record' vkkv Jan 2016 #2
Either of them gwheezie Jan 2016 #3
Yes, Hillary won't jeopardize Roe, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #13
+1 cui bono Jan 2016 #32
The early voting doesn't look good for the Hillary Forum where they vkkv Jan 2016 #4
Someone that doesn't like debate JackInGreen Jan 2016 #10
That's quite ironic Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #11
Oh that is priceless, especially the 'Billary' comment. Kentonio Jan 2016 #20
How earth DID you find THIS from 2008 ?? vkkv Jan 2016 #22
I kind of stumbled on that a few months ago Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #28
Probably Bernie Kalidurga Jan 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author vkkv Jan 2016 #6
Let's see, at this point 88 views..18 votes.. that is 70 Hillary supporters who are afraid to say vkkv Jan 2016 #7
Bernie - 3 to 1 at this point - Hillary Forum fans can .. you know what! vkkv Jan 2016 #8
Definitely would pick a justice that would reverse "corporate personhood" decisions... cascadiance Jan 2016 #9
Actually, Bernie's position on CU, appropriately, is much narrower than that onenote Jan 2016 #17
Corporate Personhood is larger than Citizen's United... cascadiance Jan 2016 #18
Do you think the NAACP, MoveON, DU, and unions should not be protected by the First Amendment? onenote Jan 2016 #23
They nor corporations are NOT "natural persons" and aren't given rights by the 14th amendment... cascadiance Jan 2016 #24
So you would have allowed the NY Times to be prosecuted onenote Jan 2016 #25
Sorry, but the Bill of Rights was designed for NATURAL persons, not artificial persons... cascadiance Jan 2016 #26
The "press" could be an individual. You can't have it both ways onenote Jan 2016 #30
The press itself is mentioned specifically in the constitution. Corporations are not! cascadiance Jan 2016 #33
the reason we have a first amendment is that we cannot trust the legislature to protect speech onenote Jan 2016 #34
The flaw in your argument anigbrowl Jan 2016 #35
The flaw in your argument... cascadiance Jan 2016 #36
Get real. anigbrowl Jan 2016 #37
Then I guess you must just love the Hobby Lobby decision if you love corporate personhood rights! cascadiance Jan 2016 #40
Oh please anigbrowl Jan 2016 #41
corporate personhood is centuries old and not going away Recursion Jan 2016 #44
NO, there is NO reason we can't have LEGISLATED LAW to permit them being sued... cascadiance Jan 2016 #45
Sorry, you must have replied to the wrong post Recursion Jan 2016 #46
The reality is that there wouldn't be much difference in who they would pick onenote Jan 2016 #12
This, plus firebrand80 Jan 2016 #14
I agree Enrique Jan 2016 #38
Both. n/t Nonhlanhla Jan 2016 #15
I think both would do an equivalently good job el_bryanto Jan 2016 #16
Not even close. 99Forever Jan 2016 #19
Hillary Forum can't be happy about THESE results! vkkv Jan 2016 #21
The democratic president.... AuntPatsy Jan 2016 #27
I think either would select fine nominees TeddyR Jan 2016 #29
ACTUAL kindergarteners would nominate better SC justices than the GOP Congress. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #31
Their picks would probably be identical or close to it DFW Jan 2016 #39
Pretty much. Recursion Jan 2016 #43
Meh. There's a fixed set they're drawing from Recursion Jan 2016 #42
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