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Democratic Primaries

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ArtTownsend

(439 posts)
Mon Jan 13, 2020, 05:18 PM Jan 2020

Brace Yourself Sanders Supporters, It's Going to Get Ugly. [View all]

...this (comments from Sanders campaign about Warren) is an entirely manufactured scandal that no one should treat as anything other than what it is: typical campaign politics. But it does signify a shift that’s already happening. Now that even Bret Stephens is recognizing Sanders has a chance to run away with the nomination, and with only weeks to go, Sanders’s opponents are belatedly taking aim at him.

After a spate of stories about Obama and his circle’s potential plans to stop Sanders from winning dropped, right on cue, Jim Messina — Obama’s 2012 campaign manager who has been busy the last eight years racking up an impressive losing record of election campaigns — told Politico Sanders would lose to Trump. Biden and Sanders are increasingly firing shots at each other. And even James O’Keefe is planning to drop some misleadingly edited bullshit about the guy he’s scared could beat Trump.

The 2020 election is not about which candidate is the politest, which candidate says the nicest things about their opponents, or which candidate most closely adheres to the made-up campaign rules in place since 2016 that say you can never draw any contrast between yourself and other candidates. It’s about which candidate is the most committed to fighting for universal health care, most determined to save the world from climate change, has the most far-reaching vision for turning around decades of disastrous US foreign policy, and, of course, is best positioned to beat Trump.

As the weeks and months roll by, it’s only going to get worse. Cut through the noise and remember what’s at stake.


https://jacobinmag.com/2020/01/2020-democratic-primary-sanders-warren-campaign
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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some would say it's about character getagrip_already Jan 2020 #1
Character...and principles. ArtTownsend Jan 2020 #4
just remember the parable about getagrip_already Jan 2020 #28
Well, again, there's history. ehrnst Jan 2020 #69
History repeats. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #76
Don't it tho. ehrnst Jan 2020 #80
Like clockwork. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #85
This. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #90
... ehrnst Jan 2020 #92
Angels, yes. Thank you. emmaverybo Jan 2020 #108
You are welcome, emma. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #111
I'm stocking up on popcorn. Teams Biden and Pete must be loving... Kahuna7 Jan 2020 #15
it will get as ugly as bernie wants to get nt msongs Jan 2020 #2
Yes. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #78
Exactly +1 LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #88
That about sums it up wryter2000 Jan 2020 #112
Wait till he pulls even in the polls next month, then it will really hit the fan! SmallDonor Jan 2020 #3
Biden has lead since he entered the race... if you have a crystal ball please explain how!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #21
Magical thinking. It always works! ehrnst Jan 2020 #70
pulls even in the polls next month......Ha hahahahahahah!!! Nah, won't ever happen. trueblue2007 Jan 2020 #135
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #5
Sorry, but I only vote for Democrats. calguy Jan 2020 #6
Hypothetical: Sanders is the Democratic nominee against Trump. ArtTownsend Jan 2020 #7
We have all said...we would...not this again. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #10
So who is more electable? The candidate whom everyone would rally behind to beat Trump? ArtTownsend Jan 2020 #12
sounds like... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #30
Not just "sounds like" PAMod Jan 2020 #102
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. ehrnst Jan 2020 #116
One for whom supporters actually "turn out" at the polls in not-insignificant numbers, for a start. ehrnst Jan 2020 #39
DU folks will uniformly support the Democratic candidate, and VOTE. stopdiggin Jan 2020 #52
surely you can't imagine Bernie as the candidate everyone will rally behind Fresh_Start Jan 2020 #72
Besides electability, there is effectiveness. wnylib Jan 2020 #96
Certainly no one who assumes that they are the smartest person in any room ehrnst Jan 2020 #114
Well that sounds exactly like extortion. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #104
Doesn't it tho? ehrnst Jan 2020 #115
And the threats begin once again LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #105
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #19
Sounds like Cenk has been devalued down to his real worth. justhanginon Jan 2020 #40
Welcome back! ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #43
A typo but so so so appropriate, I think I will leave it. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #51
..... justhanginon Jan 2020 #63
50 Cent Zeus69 Jan 2020 #48
A pretty penny that you save for a rainy day. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #113
Your turn: Biden is the Democratic Nominee against Trump ehrnst Jan 2020 #60
Biden. ArtTownsend Jan 2020 #62
That's good. You'll vote for the candidate that has the largest number of Democrats ehrnst Jan 2020 #65
Hypothetical, yes I'll vote for the Democratic nominee calguy Jan 2020 #130
I put people who preemptively say they wont vote for the potential nominee of the party on ignore. CentralMass Jan 2020 #23
test , put me on full ignore thanks ! stonecutter357 Jan 2020 #38
Will it hurt? Is that why you're "warning" them? ehrnst Jan 2020 #53
Saying that is a violation of the TOS LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #89
+1 Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #26
Serious question TheFarseer Jan 2020 #82
I know a lot of moderate republicans who despise Trump; they could, possibly, vote for LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #91
Is that an excuse for what some think is bad behavior from Sanders in terms of violating his Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #8
"bad behavior from Sanders" ArtTownsend Jan 2020 #9
He thinks if his staff says shit about other candidates, it is not on him...but he is wrong...he is Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #11
The candidate in your signature has outright insulted young people. ArtTownsend Jan 2020 #16
And yes, it's getting ugly.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #33
Not true...just saying...and Sanders supported Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #46
Yes.. bad behavior!! From his attack dogs.. who do you think told them to go negative Santa clause Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #24
If you say so. ehrnst Jan 2020 #42
I don't think anyone is going to get in the mud with Sanders and his team. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #13
HA!! Oh so true!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #18
I see that you deleted your last OP ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #29
After I posted it I thought it would get hidden. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #32
Sorry, no, we are talking about your post...nice volley that was was hilarious! ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #41
First you make it all about some other op. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #61
That is how I do it. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #64
The Political Grifters and their media allies that work for the "Greens" Party ritapria Jan 2020 #14
The Greens? Sander hired Stein voters. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #20
BOOM. ehrnst Jan 2020 #44
Salad is good for you! greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #56
sanders actually is doing very poorly, with the AA voters and in general Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #17
What a great post! It is the math. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #27
Jacobin has little room to call anyone else's coverage of Democratic POTUS candidates "ugly" ehrnst Jan 2020 #22
On par with Sanders accusing Biden he was cutting SS? Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #25
Biden has consistently for decades attempted to cut or freeze SS. StrictlyRockers Jan 2020 #37
It helps to back up one's claims with links. ehrnst Jan 2020 #49
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #71
One lonely link. From the Intercept, no less.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #74
++++ sheshe2 Jan 2020 #100
If you want to discuss ugly tactics, perhaps you should talk to David Sirota or Nina Turner. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #31
"Aux Barricades!!!" brooklynite Jan 2020 #34
..... ehrnst Jan 2020 #117
Bernie has said he did not tell Warren that a woman can't win NJCher Jan 2020 #35
And Warren told people that he did to people just after he said it. ehrnst Jan 2020 #50
so I guess we're at a draw NJCher Jan 2020 #54
We do know he said it about identity politics. He has been telling us that for a while. Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #59
Not really a draw. ehrnst Jan 2020 #67
Bernie doesn't lie NJCher Jan 2020 #73
Ok. ehrnst Jan 2020 #77
I'm old enough to remember when Bernie was going to be a registered Democrat. nt SaschaHM Jan 2020 #103
He's only ever been a D during a primary, either for a Senate run or a POTUS run ehrnst Jan 2020 #107
Your argument/newspaper stories do not cut it NJCher Jan 2020 #132
Goalposts moved. Gotcha. ehrnst Jan 2020 #136
goalposts weren't moved NJCher Jan 2020 #138
Yes, they were. ehrnst Jan 2020 #143
... ehrnst Jan 2020 #109
I'll read your material NJCher Jan 2020 #125
Warren confimed that he did. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #128
see my post 73 NJCher Jan 2020 #133
Senator Sanders is not immune to being mistaken about something he said or did. ehrnst Jan 2020 #137
I'll take decade upon decade of credibility on Bernie's part NJCher Jan 2020 #139
In all fairness, you no know more than I do. So when you're ready, ehrnst Jan 2020 #140
actually, I do NJCher Jan 2020 #141
Because of course you're not going to. But you expect others to, or simply accept that your ehrnst Jan 2020 #142
Fascinating StrictlyRockers Jan 2020 #36
Disgusting OP ! stonecutter357 Jan 2020 #45
Irony is dead. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #55
Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #68
Irony, reality, history, the meaning of words. betsuni Jan 2020 #120
The Health Insurance Industry is not happy! If Bernie gets his way they won't be able to make jalan48 Jan 2020 #57
Jacobin, the Sanders propaganda outlet, Hav Jan 2020 #58
You're fooling yourself to think a 79 year old man who just had his 1st heart attack Submariner Jan 2020 #66
OMFG. I can't wait until this primary is over!!! vsrazdem Jan 2020 #75
May I hope you will vote for whomever the Dem candidate is? dhol82 Jan 2020 #126
Absolutely, and It can't come too soon for me. I already sick of all the infighting, it's like a vsrazdem Jan 2020 #129
Preemptive whining? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #79
May I recommend a soothing intellectual balm underthematrix Jan 2020 #81
I like Bernie janterry Jan 2020 #83
Bernie called HRC unqualified in 2016. SaschaHM Jan 2020 #84
well , this thread is....lively. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #86
We know. We remember 2016 and Hillary thanked Bernie for dismissing the fake "emails"... JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #87
I reiterate relayerbob Jan 2020 #93
No, the 2020 election is not about being polite. beastie boy Jan 2020 #94
What's at stake is defeating Donald Trump bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #95
It already is. Open lies and people spewing pure unfounded garbage accusations . Autumn Jan 2020 #97
And this attitude is why ... relayerbob Jan 2020 #99
I don't care where he is on your list. I know where he is on mine. Autumn Jan 2020 #101
Of course you don't care relayerbob Jan 2020 #106
Not even close. But nice try. Arrogance had nothing to do with Trump in the White House. Autumn Jan 2020 #122
Yawn. Same as it ever was relayerbob Jan 2020 #131
The forces that will do anything zentrum Jan 2020 #98
Gee this place can sure cheer you up real fast. sellitman Jan 2020 #110
Seriously. This crap will ensure 45 another 4 years toward our demise. It's rabid. Evolve Dammit Jan 2020 #119
I'm not worried about it. Bernie will handle it with grace. n/t totodeinhere Jan 2020 #118
As much grace as he had in 2016? dhol82 Jan 2020 #127
Nothing we want, zero, will happen randr Jan 2020 #121
Jacobin... NurseJackie Jan 2020 #123
The 2020 election is about beating dotard dump. That's mentioned last. And LOL 'run away UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #124
This thread is filled with examples Lordquinton Jan 2020 #134
The irony... (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #144
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