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Clovis Sangrail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 08:40 AM Original message |
Anti-Whaling Activist Says He Was Shot by Japanese Coast Guard |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Sick -- these Sea Shepherd guys are heroes |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Watson is claiming he was shot by an expert marksman |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Actually, people are generally trained to hit the body, not the head |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Average soliders yes, not expert marksmen |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. It was Japanese coasties -- I doubt they're trained for headshots |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Which means that Watson's claim he was shot by an expert marksman is BS |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. The guy just got shot and you're parsing words? |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. That he was shot is questionable |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. expert marksmen don't typically have to worry about ship to ship shots |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Watson claimed he was shot by an expert marksman but his badge and vest saved him |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I understand shooting, ballistics and firearms. |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. How about the rest of it |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. You have moved from purportedly supporting anti-whaling to now questioning how a man was shot. |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Indeed, I stand for truth and against self promoting vigilantes |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
80. So now your agenda includes personal attacks against Watson -- |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
57. The guy probably doesn't know the difference between an expert shooting |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
41. The anti-whaling effort is set back when people do nothing, or attack others they should support. |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. The anti-whaling effort is set back by vigilantes like Watson |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. That's EXACTLY what apologists always say about activists |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #43 |
73. That is a ridiculous statement. But keep them coming. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
2. recommend |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
3. Not bullets. Flash-Bang grenades were used to defend themselves from attack. |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Everybody knows that when a bright, loud explosion goes off, they are safe |
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Barrett808 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Video here: |
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Red Zelda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
4. I'll just delete my own comment |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
6. More Watson nonsense |
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Barrett808 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. See post #9 for video |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I reviewed what was posted |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Why shouldn't they wear bullet resistant gear when in close quarters? |
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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Re: #2 |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Look at the video and freeze around 40 seconds into it |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
30. Theoretically, they could have used a 9mm submachine gun |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. No other shots reported or bullet damage |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #52 |
68. You are aware that most Federal employes (as best can be determined) support the Democratic Party? |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Too bad you're not one of them, eh? |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Lifelong member of the Democratic Party |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
44. You're back again -- posting multiple posts against Sea Shepherd. |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I support the way Greenpeace and Australia are doing it, I don't support vigilantes |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. The way Greenpeace does it doesn't WORK. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #47 |
72. You can support Greenpeace (if you really do) without attacking and subverting Sea Shepherd. |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:22 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. So you support vigilantism and beleive that the ends justify the means? |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. What is anti-progressive is your sole end appears to be to discredit and undermine anti-whaling |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
7. Save that bullet. It's worth a lot. |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. You presume its a bullet and it was fired by the Japanese |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. It appears to me that the burden of evidence lies with... |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I have pointed out questionable areas in other posts |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. It becomes incumbent upon the critic to provide evidence... |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Then I will gladly rehash the argument |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. A review, maybe. A critical review? Not quite. |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. The only "evidence" is that provided by Watson. Nothing else is available |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. A statement is considered valid and true until evidence shows otherwise. |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. So if I asserted that the moon was made of green cheese or Shrub was a great president |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. That is a bullshit example of the use of testimony, and you know it. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:07 AM Response to Reply #16 |
74. Insinuating that the bullet was fired by Sea Shepherd goes far beyond "supporting Greenpeace." |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:24 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Disclaiming vigilantism must be a bad thing in your mind |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. You don't seem to dispute that your real agenda here is to attack Sea Shepherd, not support |
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Barrett808 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
8. Japanese Scramble to Spin Shooting Story |
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Clovis Sangrail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
61. like I said in another thread |
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Barrett808 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
13. AFP: Whaling protester says Japanese shot him in high-seas clash |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
37. And the Japanes whalers and supporters lie to cover it up. |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. What has been released so far makes it hard to acertain that he was shot |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Your "take" is maligned by your hatred of Watson. |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Its not personal...vigilantism is repugnant to most people as is ends justifies the means thinking |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Your concern is noted. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. You may not be the only one |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Unlike the vehement and persistent supporters of Watson? |
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KingOfLostSouls (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. watson is a known bigot |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. Sure - point is, rational people question motives |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #67 |
77. But it isn't |
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MaryCeleste (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. But critizie him and his vigilante tactics and you become whaling apologist |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
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Annces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
60. Prayers for safety |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
62. Watson's lucky |
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Barrett808 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
63. Examine Sea Shepherd bullet, Japan says |
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Barrett808 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
64. Animal Planet Statement Regarding Sea Shepherd Society Activities in the Antarctic |
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Barrett808 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
65. Nature blog: Sea Shepherd claims the Australian embassy has confirmed that warning shots were fired |
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Barrett808 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
66. Sea Shepherd Crew Head South In Search Of Harpoons |
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Barrett808 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
71. Restraint urged in whaling battle (by Federal Foreign Minister Stephen Smith) |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
82. WOW |
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Barrett808 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
83. New photos: muzzle flash? |
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