HELP! Terrorists attack in Russia and I have no idea...

[Krasnaya Lastochka]

what's going on, all I heard was a 3-second blip on NPR, something about a car blowing up in Moscow and no one yet knew really what happened but I'm pretty sure it was Chechens again. After those two planes went down last week the Chechens said it was only the first of many and I think this is the next one...does ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING?!?! Please! Where was it, how many fatalities, and for God's sake does anyone know where they will strike next?!?!? I'm sorry I'm freaking out but I'm scared to death of terrorists.

:cry::o :wow: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :shrug: :shrug:

[StClone]

1. Three Big deals in the world today

12 Nepalese executed in Iraq
Israel explosions
Car Bomb in Moscow (after two planes downed)

ARE THESE TIMES TO DISTRACT FROM THE GOP CONFAB?

[Krasnaya Lastochka]

3. what's your point?

Are you saying this is a fake...or just unimportant? It is important to me, I am Russian.

[StClone]

12. No No it is tragic!

Bu, there were several other horror going on it could be mere coincidence, though terrorists are know for timing attacks at widely separate locales.

[IronLionZion]

2. link

http://rawstory.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=31

calm down and get a grip. Let's not be racist against Chechens now.

[Krasnaya Lastochka]

I'm not racist!

I'm just scared sh*tless. Maybe I should have re-phrased it: 'I'm scared of former freedom fighters who have been taken advantage of by terrorists and then turned into terrorists, and who happen to be Chechen". Is it non-DU to be scared of terrorists???

[StandUpGuy]

29. I don't think its the Chechens

Plus have you heard about the school?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3619610.stm

I think this is an attempt to oust Putin and return Yukos to their American stooges in Russia.

[Krasnaya Lastochka]

31. it IS Chechen terrorists

and it's completely obvious. And yes, I have heard about the school. Who's laughing at me now, when I say I am afraid of Chechen terrorists??

[Ms. Clio]

37. Well, I'm still laughing

I'm pretty sure that you're the only person in Tulsa who is terrified by the Chechens.

Personally, I'm much more frightened by the terrorists in the White House.

[bahrbearian]

4. Are there many Chechens in Tusla?

[Krasnaya Lastochka]

6. how the heck did you know I'm from Tulsa?!

:-)
And no, I've never actually met a Chechen. See my reply to the person who called me a racist...

[bahrbearian]

8. I live just down the road from you , I never mentioned racism.

[Misunderestimator]

9. Um.... by your profile that says you're from Tulsa probably...

and welcome to DU

[Krasnaya Lastochka]

10. oops, now I feel stupid.

I guess I still am a true newbie...don't know how things work.:argh:

[Misunderestimator]

14. No problem.... :) Welcome.

[bahrbearian]

15. And you don't know how to tell the truth.

But then again I don't live down the road from you.

[Krasnaya Lastochka]

28. dear sir or madam, please explain

this latest insult. Why is everyone picking on me?

[stavka]

20. Tula maybe, but Tulsa? There is that one guy, you know, with the hat?

[radwriter0555]

5. THE CHECHENS are COMING the CHECHENS are COMING!

HOLY CRAP.

That must be a PINK alert?

[Krasnaya Lastochka]

7. ouch

or perhaps I should say, "what?"

[GoldenOldie]

11. My daughter and Family working in Russia

They are not Russians but American teachers who couldn't make a decent living in the US so are living and teaching in Moscow. She had been scheduled to be on one of those airplanes and at the last minute her trip was canceled. Please take the time to hear the concern of the poster before you submit sarcasm.

The little that I was able to find about this car bombing is that it was near a Metro station and a Market I don't know if anyone was killed. My daughter, son-in-law, and granddaughter rode this Metro line to get to work each day until they obtained their own auto. Communting became very frightening for them because their were Russian skinheads and my granddaughter is of mixed heritage Irish and Hawaiian but she reflects none of her Irish genes and looks totally Pacific Islander....she was a standout for these skinheads and they are none for attacking people of color.

My daughter keeps me posted and I can go on line for The Moscow Times. They said it is getting bad throughout the World for Americans, thanks to George W. Bush and the exPats will be voting in record numbers and it won't be for George.....that is if they can get their b llots counted???

[Krasnaya Lastochka]

13. wow....

that was a real miracle, that their trip was canceled. My sincerest sympathy to your family! And I hope none of those rotten skinheads do anything, anything at all! These skinheads give Russians a bad name.
Thanks for the information. I guess we just don't know much yet...and thank you for being thoughtful enough to ask the other posters not to submit sarcasm. Really, I get that a lot here...any time I admit to being afraid of something or reveal my actual emotions about something, I get ridiculed. Please, everyone who reads this, do try to be a bit more sensitive. (as Mr. Kerry might say?! :-) )

Again, my sincerest thanks and hopes that things go well for your family in Russia!

[kayell]

16. Slap, slap, slap. Now get a hold of yourself.

terrorist are scary, but your odds of getting harmed by terrorists are vanishingly small (especially in Tulsa, although there are always rw terrorists, Tulsa Chechans are REALLY rare)

* wants you to be terrified of the big bad terrorist boogie man. Don't make * and Rove happy. Take a break from watching cable news. Go for a walk, go for a picnic or a swim.

When you come back calm, then you can do everything you can to reduce real terror by fighting *.


Added: if this is an on going problem that is affecting your life in major ways, consider seeing a therapist. A lot of people in this country, even plenty of people not in NYC at the time, had PTSD after 9/11. The rw propaganda machine keeping the terror pushed up to work on peoples emotions sure hasn't helped.

[Krasnaya Lastochka]

25. how dare you!

* did not stage this attack, * has nothing to do with this! And yes I live in Tulsa but I am Russian, Russian with my heart and soul and my country is under attack! How dare you belittle me! I assume you've heard about the latest development in Chechnya. Those bandits have taken SCHOOLCHILDREN hostage!!!!!! If this isn't real terror I don't know what is.

[kayell]

33. The way I worded my reply was not good. The first part was a weak

attempt at humor, that obviously did not work at all. I never meant to belittle you, although I can see how my poor wording could look like that. You have my apologies for the inept 1st paragraph of my post.

However, I really think that you need to find a way to not let fear rule your life. I never said that * was responsible for what is happening in Russia. I was trying to say that * wants you to be afraid and that he and his crew have done everything they can to build up the fear in people in this country. Please don't give into that fear. My later amended advice still stands. If you are suffering often from fear of terrorists, you may have PTSD from 9/11. A lot of people still do, even ones not in NY. Many don't recognize it because they think it couldn't happen to non-NYers. What is going on in your home can't be helping.

I never meant to imply (although it could read that way) that what is happening in Russia isn't terrorism. It clearly is. but there are many forms of terrorism, some that we can try to stop right here. Some of which we currently have little power over.

I am very well aware of what is going on in Russia right now,(the school incident had not happened when I posted) and I am grieving for the people killed in the airplanes and at the metro, just as I am for the children held hostage and their parents. Their fear must be overwhelming. Yours does not need to be. Please don't let it rule you.

[Djinn]

34. ease back of the hyperbole

Yes what happened with the russian planes and now the school hostage taking is terrorism but so is what your country is doing in Chechnya and has been for years, it's what the US (and my country) is doing in Iraq, it's what the powerful do to the weak in the case of high tech terrorism and what the weak do to the powerful in the case of suicide bombings and hsotage taking.

[Aidoneus]

17. Calm down

hysteria makes on take leave of rational consideration and leaves open to falsehoods. Not only did Chechens not claim the planes were the first of many, but didn't claim them at all. A Black Widow may have finished off her family trees in this last bit (to be fair the Russian military having done most of the legwork in this, but I guess that's hardly worth drudging up at all :eyes: ), and there may be one more.

You should live in Grozny, if you wish to know fear.

[Krasnaya Lastochka]

26. right, blame Russia for everything.

I am amazed at the attitudes of so many of the posters here. They do not take me seriously, they say I have been fooled by a wingnut plot. Then if they acknowledge that something really is happening they say it's all the Russians fault. The Russian Army would not be in Chechnya for second war if Chechens had not struck first, apartments bombed in 1999 remember?! And everyone still thinks this is the valiant Chechen freedom fighters against bloodthirsty imperialist Russians well that is not true. The Chechen terrorists have so many ties to al-Qaida I can't even count them.

By the way, you should be watching your country turn into a war zone if YOU wish to know fear.

[Djinn]

35. so you agree with Sharon and Bush then?

punishing and repressing an entire people because of the actions of some is OK?

You need to do some research on the fear and repression suffered by Chechens these days and also on the origins of the conflict - NB it was NOT the 1999 apartment bombing, you need to go further back than Peter the Great's time, but if you want to cut off the historical reasons you can also go back to Yeltsin sending the troops in in 1994 to crush the independence movement. Chechens are not and never have been Russians yet they've been ruled by them for centuries.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/europe/chechnya/history.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2000/02/0217_chechen.html

http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/chechnya/
http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/russia/chechnya/

There is NO reason for you to fear in Tulsa, I know plenty of Iraqis and while they worry enormously about friends and family still in Iraq they don't get scared for themselves because here in Australia it's a long way from the explosions.

[Sufi Marmot]

18. 9 killed in a car bomb at Rizhskaya station...

Ni bezspokoites...

-SM

[stavka]

19. The Islamic masses in Chechnya

Revolted against Moscow when the Soviet Union fell apart, really the local Soviet Warlord embraced Islam and started fighting - seeing as his state had a lot of oil.

Russia didn't want to lose all that oil so there was a nasty war that initially was really embarrassing to the Russians - the actual Russians, not the various minorities that still found themselves under Russian rule despite the fall of the Soviet Union.

Russia eventually got the upper hand politically and militarily - but there has been an ongoing resistance - in many cases a suicidal resistance that has lacked the subtlety the fight in Palestine has - these people, including their leadership feel they have nothing to loose - and their entire history seems to lend credence to that theory.

They attack anything they can, in hopes of independence

This in turn, has turned into a pretty racist Russian response against all things South Caucus, and certainly anti-Islam (Russian Orthodoxy is back with a bang when it needs to be.)

It is an ugly situation...doesn't help the government of Russia is like AL Capone's Chicago's Mayors office....

[Lydia Leftcoast]

21. I never understood why the Russians wanted to hang on to Chechnya

anyway--a Turkic people practicing Islam, so no ethnic or cultural connections. Besides, the Chechens have been fighting Russian rule since the days of Lermontov.

[Sufi Marmot]

24. Because a huge chunk of Russia isn't Russian...

Russian maps - click on the green provincial map

A lot of those little provinces aren't ethnically Russian (or ethnic Russians are a minority there), and Moscow fears that many of them might start agitating for independence if Chechnya successfully rebels.

-SM

[Djinn]

22. take a deep breath and get some perspective

anyone would think terrorism is a new thing in the world since it happened in America (although it's happened there before too but apparently it's just murder unless it's a foreign terrorist)

In 1987 there were 666 recorded incidents of terrorism worldwide - more than there has been in any year since the 9/11 attacks.

And like others have mentioned the chances of Chechen seperatists/terrorists (all these terms are pretty much meaningless now) or indeed Wahhabi Muslims with explosive belts, striking in Tulsa are fairly remote

Edit: the Russians want to keep Chechnya for the same reason that Indonesia wanted to keep Catholic East Timor - when one province/region gets independence is starts other groups thinking the same way, if that trend keeps going your large nation is eventually reduced to bugger all

[Krasnaya Lastochka]

27. so what if I live in Tulsa?

It is possible to fear for the safety of OTHER people y'know. By the way, your "edit" that says the Russians are only in Chechnya for imperialism used to be true but isn't anymore. The once-legitimate Chechen freedom fighters have been hijacked by al-Qaida. They have become terrorists.

[Djinn]

36. of course it is

but that's not what you say in your original post.

I'm scared to death of terrorists.

I'm just scared sh*tless

I am afraid of Chechen terrorists??

I think you really need to look past the propaganda, just because Al Qaeda has joined the fray that doesn't mean the original aims aren't or weren't legitimate. Do you beleive the Palestinians have no legitimate greivances either? because the great Al Qaeda bogey man is on their side too? Al Qaeda will join in ANY fight anywhere that involves Muslims against non Muslims.

Terrorist is not a morally loaded word - it is a method - even if Al Qaeda did not exist the Chechens fighters would still fit the definition of terrorists, but then again so do the Russian troops, please read up on the dissapearences in Chechnya, the rapes by Russian soldiers, the daily use of torture and then tell me the Chechens have no legitimate reasons to continue to fight for independence. As for your claim that the Russian military wouldn't be there had the Chechens not blown up an apartment building in 1999 could you please explain why they rolled into town in 94 to crush the independence movement

[leesa]

23. Ummm...have you heard of propaganda? "terrorists" are usually

what your government blames for events they effect. There are terrorists but the odds of you being impacted by terrorists are astronomical. They are trying to scare you with a boogieman. Don't let them.

[Krasnaya Lastochka]

30. I'm not worried about myself

I'm worried about Russia. I know I personally will very likely (almost certainly) never be hurt by a terrorist. I know even most people in Russia will not be hurt by a terrorist. But for God's sake...they just seized a school...little kids! Seven-year-olds! Am I allowed to be afraid for those little kids' lives???

By the way, I do not support the atrocities that Russian military does against Chechnya.

[stavka]

32. ...terrorist or freedom fighter.....

These guys are scary - scarier still because there are also gals....

If they are actually targeting Tulsa, I can't comment on....