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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 03:26 PM Original message |
The Complete Idiot's Guide to Intelligent Design |
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baba (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. My formerly rational sister. |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 03:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. that's because they really don't believe it themselves. |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. It all depends on the characteristics of the "higher power" |
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baba (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. True. |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
67. Same here. |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 01:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
176. That seems to be what many liberals think.. |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
201. Also evolution suggests that humans are not the pinnacle |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 05:16 PM Response to Reply #201 |
212. Yeah.. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. That is Wonderful |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 07:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
215. This should be prtinted and handed out at schools! |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
4. ID is a theory whereby christians make ignorance work for them. |
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GumboYaYa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. How does intelligent design explain the extinction of species? |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 03:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. But that's the beauty of ID. It explains everything, and nothing. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
40. It doesn't need to, why this assumption? |
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GumboYaYa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 05:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. It seems that extinction is a great example of "non-Intelligent" design. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
73. It 'seems'? 'wrong'? Those are value judgements. |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:03 PM Response to Reply #73 |
92. So is "it seems implausible" |
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dummy-du1 (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
133. I am sure it's an intelligent destroyer's fault... n/t |
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ClassicDem (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
6. I am not Christian |
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baba (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 03:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I do too. |
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ClassicDem (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 03:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Just do a search on |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. That doesn't make it science |
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ClassicDem (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. lack of scientific merit? |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. No, there aren't any scientists (or physicists? wtf?) who believe ID. |
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ClassicDem (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Wait your telling me that there are |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. No, Einstein recognized the possibility of a Creator. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
75. Yes, there are. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 07:57 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. There are lots of scientists who won't walk under a ladder. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:01 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. That is simply an ad hominem attack, sorry, no go. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:45 PM Response to Reply #89 |
108. Intelligent Design is an ad hominem theory. |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:08 PM Response to Reply #75 |
95. Behe's a quack. |
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wabeewoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 02:55 PM Response to Reply #75 |
183. Being a scientist does not make |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 08:46 PM Response to Reply #183 |
224. Or Peter Duesberg who is an accomplished microbiologist. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. ID is a non-scientific theory or "speculation" if you will. |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 05:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. ID is not a theory |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
61. ID isn't proven or disproven because it can't be proven or disproven |
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ClassicDem (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 07:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. If man becomes capable |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 07:42 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Not beyond the new life form. |
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ClassicDem (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:20 PM Response to Reply #79 |
97. But it's possible |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:34 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. Sure it's possible. But it isn't part of a rounded education. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:44 PM Response to Reply #102 |
131. Exactly...or to put it another way. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 01:09 AM Response to Reply #25 |
155. ID |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. Regretfully, you won't find much.. |
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baba (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:29 PM Response to Reply #38 |
100. Whatever. |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:42 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. Well, some people would call that "being crazy" |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:12 PM Response to Reply #105 |
114. Stop the insults. Not thinking in black and white terms is not 'crazy'. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:31 PM Response to Reply #114 |
121. Okay...let's go there. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. No, you don't, and your argument is invalid. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:36 PM Response to Reply #123 |
128. Why is it invalid? I look at creation at I see the end result of |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:43 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. LOL! |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 10:54 PM Response to Reply #128 |
149. Hmmmm... this question seems to have gone unanswered, for some reason. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 12:45 AM Response to Reply #149 |
153. Because it's not worth answering. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #153 |
163. "you are so entrenched in your viewpoint" |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 10:59 AM Response to Reply #128 |
166. Ah but I have no desire to prove or disprove your theory. |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 01:42 AM Response to Reply #121 |
159. Ok, lets do - I'll wait for your response |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #159 |
172. Prove him wrong. |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:02 PM Response to Reply #172 |
184. First of all... |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:07 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. Huh? What kind of cop-out is this? |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:15 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. lol |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:22 PM Response to Reply #187 |
190. Nice spin. Desperate, but clever. |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:36 PM Response to Reply #190 |
193. Sadly, I think you understand nothing |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:51 PM Response to Reply #193 |
198. G'night, Demwing. |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 02:53 PM Response to Reply #159 |
182. boy, was I asleep when I wrote this? |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:37 PM Response to Reply #159 |
194. I want it taught in science class! |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #194 |
197. OK, and not OK |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 04:08 PM Response to Reply #197 |
203. No, the idea was to get him to think outside of his box. |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 04:11 PM Response to Reply #203 |
205. You need not apologize for thinking |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:46 PM Response to Reply #159 |
196. According to another poster...it is now incumbent on YOU to prove me wrong |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:53 PM Response to Reply #196 |
199. Re the context of the argument. Thank you. - n/t |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 04:08 PM Response to Reply #199 |
204. The REAL context |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:34 PM Response to Reply #114 |
126. I don't know why you consider that an insult.. |
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baba (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:53 PM Response to Reply #126 |
135. There is doubt involved in any theory. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 10:00 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. Yes there is, which is why SCIENCE.... |
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baba (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 10:14 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. I don't think it should be in a science class. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 10:40 PM Response to Reply #137 |
143. So how do you test the notion of 'unguided'? |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 10:49 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. That's odd...when I was taught evolution the terms guided and unguided... |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 12:49 AM Response to Reply #146 |
154. From what people are writing HERE, also |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 10:51 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. Are you still on this "prove a negative" thing? |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 01:11 AM Response to Reply #147 |
156. The appearence of design IS evidence of guidance. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 10:29 AM Response to Reply #156 |
162. Very good, trot out the "insult" angle when you're backed into a corner. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 04:01 PM Response to Reply #156 |
202. The appearance of design is unfortunately unproven in this case as well. |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 10:28 PM Response to Reply #135 |
140. Yes, and this relates to my post how? nt |
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baba (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 10:52 PM Response to Reply #140 |
148. It relates to your post. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 10:58 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. Which post was that? Seriously, where was that argument introduced? |
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baba (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 11:13 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. My initial statement. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 11:18 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. Got it. Thanks for clarifying. |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 02:19 AM Response to Reply #148 |
160. Lets recapitulate: |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 11:02 AM Response to Reply #126 |
167. But the two ideas arent mutually exclusive |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #167 |
175. Obviously, that is not science's job. |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 02:04 PM Response to Reply #175 |
179. Didn't say it made it science per se |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:15 PM Response to Reply #179 |
186. Science and religion are not incompatible, per se |
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baba (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:46 PM Response to Reply #114 |
132. Thank you! |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:52 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. So, are our choices then to be rigid in our thinking... |
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baba (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 10:01 PM Response to Reply #134 |
138. I'm not supporting intelligent design! |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:56 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. To which I say: Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate. |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 10:31 PM Response to Reply #132 |
142. So, from now on muddled thinking is to be modus operandi of liberals? |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 10:45 PM Response to Reply #132 |
145. You're welcome, |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #145 |
189. Possibly the truest post in this thread n/t |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:25 PM Response to Reply #189 |
191. If by true you mean deliberately miscasting the terms of the discussion... |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:31 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. Shouldnt you huury on back and |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #192 |
195. Um, how many times shall I address it for you? |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 04:47 PM Response to Reply #195 |
209. Ah another one who dogmatically rejects |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 05:08 PM Response to Reply #209 |
211. "another one who dogmatically rejects any other conclusion than their own. |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 07:30 PM Response to Reply #211 |
216. My reply |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 07:54 PM Response to Reply #216 |
219. Now yer just crackin' me up! |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 08:06 PM Response to Reply #219 |
220. Amazing |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 08:36 PM Response to Reply #220 |
223. Is this the "Poor me, I'm a victim of mean atheists" motif now? |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 09:18 PM Response to Reply #223 |
225. Oh you wanted to be a lite version of Zen? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 09:24 PM Response to Reply #225 |
226. Self-delete. Placed incorrectly. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 09:27 PM Response to Reply #225 |
227. See, that's the sort of thing that confuses me. |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 09:43 PM Response to Reply #227 |
229. Well see there your wrong |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 09:49 PM Response to Reply #229 |
231. I suppose that depends on the definition of the universe. |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 10:19 PM Response to Reply #231 |
232. The universe? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 11:01 PM Response to Reply #232 |
233. But then where is the Designer? |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-05 07:44 AM Response to Reply #233 |
234. Heh |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-05 01:45 PM Response to Reply #234 |
235. I don't understand your statement. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 05:35 PM Response to Reply #209 |
213. Actually, God is a unnecessary positing of plurality. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 07:09 PM Response to Reply #213 |
214. Deleted message |
Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 09:35 PM Response to Reply #213 |
228. I wasn't the one who brought Occam's Razor into |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 10:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
165. OT |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 12:55 PM Response to Reply #165 |
174. I'm touched.. |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 01:53 PM Response to Reply #174 |
177. Cheers back at ya |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 02:04 PM Response to Reply #177 |
178. My bad.. I'm kinda new at this.. :-) nt |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
33. That's the problem, you "believe" |
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ClassicDem (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 07:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
81. All of the books in the world can |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 07:58 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Glad to read your comments... |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:20 PM Response to Reply #81 |
96. In your research |
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Harry S Truman (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
9. They destroy their own argument. |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
11. It's such a morally bankrupt philosophy. |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. "I couldn't do it, so God did it." |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
12. Undirected? What does that mean? |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. LOL. |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. The entire spine and leg system is deeply flawed. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
76. Ok, we were on all fours, so what? |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Rather blows a hole in ID, doesn't it? |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 07:55 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. No, it doesn't. |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 07:58 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. So, where does the design enter the process? |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:02 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Who said design and evolution are incompatible? |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:05 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Since evolution depends on random mutation... |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:41 PM Response to Reply #93 |
104. Circular reasoning there. |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:46 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. Show evidence of the guide, then. |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:22 PM Response to Reply #90 |
98. By definition, they are incompatible. |
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ClassicDem (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:11 PM Response to Reply #98 |
112. I disagree... |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:13 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. Then demonstrate the designer. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:17 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. The evidence of design is right in front of us. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:21 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Actually you do. You are proposing the..ahem.."theory".... |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. Quite. |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:32 PM Response to Reply #116 |
122. That is utterly retrospective. |
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ClassicDem (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:23 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. I do carry the burden, |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:28 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Possible? It is both credible and likely. |
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geniph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
188. If the human body is such a stupendous example |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Nonsense. |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 05:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Ah, it's not plausible because you say so. Wonderful reasoning ability. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
125. You seem to believe that nature has been designed because |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
180. Yes |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. I'd like to see ID proponents explain the origin of God.... |
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oneighty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Yes like |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Evolution is not teleological |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Or put another way: Evolution does not speak to the existence... |
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BillZBubb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
34. But, evolution does speak to a literal interpretation of the Bible |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Of course that is the crux of the problem. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 05:14 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. the genealogy is not necessarily opposing |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 05:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. But Joseph ISN'T Jesus' father. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
69. True, but both genealogies trace Joseph |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 11:28 AM Response to Reply #69 |
170. Is that true? |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 05:22 PM Response to Reply #21 |
49. It does, however, rule out some types of gods.. |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. you're arguing from a logical fallacy |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 05:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
53. No, I'm not. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 05:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. So where did God come from? |
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LoneDriver (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. ...and is it really turtles all the way down? |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. It's an infinite number of turtles...... |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
70. No, but many atheists do think that it all comes from nothing. |
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BillZBubb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 10:42 PM Response to Reply #70 |
144. Bullshit and hand waving. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 01:24 AM Response to Reply #144 |
157. Have you heard of virtual particles? |
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BillZBubb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 11:17 AM Response to Reply #157 |
169. You need to get a better understanding of quantum physics. |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 02:38 PM Response to Reply #144 |
181. Ok so |
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BillZBubb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 04:55 PM Response to Reply #181 |
210. There is plenty of evidence of a big bang type event. |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 07:48 PM Response to Reply #210 |
218. So your contention is that |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 05:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
47. The undirected nature of evolution is |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
65. Lots of assumptions there. |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:50 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. Not many... |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. 'Randomicity' |
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mutus_frutex (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 02:52 AM Response to Reply #83 |
161. What, you don't like my spelling?? :-) |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 05:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
55. It's not up to science to prove that evolution is undirected... |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
71. That is true, the purpose of science is not to support atheism. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 07:08 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. LOL! I love these deep discussions! |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:07 PM Response to Reply #71 |
111. Your eyes propose nothing to me. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:41 PM Response to Reply #111 |
129. I think this one is a lost cause, frankly. |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
15. Another aspect of |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Not to mention the "blind spot" in the apparently oh-so perfect eye. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
94. There is a benefit to the inverted retina - heat dispersion. |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:23 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. So what? There's a benefit. It's still an imperfect system. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:00 PM Response to Reply #99 |
110. So to have the inverted retina, the blind spot is needed. |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:11 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. The purpose of science is not to support God! |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:18 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. Indeed...there is wellspring of facts that say Mankind is NOT perfect. |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 09:34 PM Response to Reply #117 |
127. Yes! Thanks for the support! |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 01:26 AM Response to Reply #117 |
158. A cynical attitude, that is all. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 12:34 PM Response to Reply #158 |
173. Of course it's science. |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 09:44 PM Response to Reply #158 |
230. Funny, an ID proponent accusing Evolutionists of not using science. |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:31 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. It's evidence of simple intermediates leading to complex organs. |
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stanwyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
23. Funny story from Focus on the Family |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Is that like a "medically supervised anecdotal study"? |
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stanwyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 10:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
141. Ooooh, love that. |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
30. Meh. I'm a theistic evolutionist myself. I believe God created |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Which is probably a more sensible approach... |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. There are TWO accounts of creation in Genesis.. fundies never |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:24 PM Response to Reply #37 |
68. and Genesis doesn't say God created man and animals in one step, |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Bibliolatry... It is true many fundies break one of the Ten Commandments |
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baba (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:44 PM Response to Reply #30 |
106. Do you have any resources? |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
41. Don't make fun - ID could not be a giant lobster |
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Astrochimp (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
50. The main problem is..... |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
51. Perhaps an intelligent power designed the rest of the universe |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
52. Intelligent design is not a theory |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 05:44 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Here's an example of how the scientific theory of ID works. |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:02 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. So... |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. More like lazy with an agenda explanation. |
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Astarho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
56. Intelligent Design, IMHO, is essentially philosophy |
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Baconfoot (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
107. I agree, let's teach philosophy in schools. But ID is NOT philosophy. |
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MichaelTheCat (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
59. I'll be honest... |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:08 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Creationism by any other name would still stink of theology. |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
63. I hope they all choke on their darn theory... |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
82. Apes! |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
84. The web site the resolves the evolution - ID - Creationism debate |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:02 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. I'll say that sets things straight. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-05 08:39 PM Response to Reply #91 |
103. Get a sense of humor, it is not a Creationist website. |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 11:09 AM Response to Reply #91 |
168. Its called reading comprehension |
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WI Independent (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-05 02:15 PM Response to Reply #84 |
236. LOL... Good stuff. n/t |
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ihelpu2see (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
164. you must also present to these loons the idea |
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Boosterman (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 11:45 AM Response to Reply #164 |
171. Why wouldn't a creator let evolution take its course? |
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ihelpu2see (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 04:20 PM Response to Reply #171 |
206. its nice to see a creative answer to my question but dont |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
200. I hate shit like "intelligent design" |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 04:25 PM Response to Reply #200 |
207. ID |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
208. I too believe in Intelligent Design, but the devil is always in the detail |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 08:09 PM Response to Reply #208 |
222. The Beginning of Wisdom is Observation .... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
217. How is an "intelligent cause" NOT an "undirected process"? |
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hippiegranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-20-05 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
221. oh... I thought this was another thread about the |
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