Does anyone think the circus people will go home now that the

[rzemanfl]

Schlinder's representative, Brother whatever in the brown robe, has asked them to?

I know this is another TS thread but I live in Pinellas County, so I feel entitled, since we will get most of the bills.

[deadparrot]

1. No; they're so riled up now

that I don't think Jesus himself could send them away.

[Mz Pip]

2. Uh, no

because that would be the rational thing to do and these people are not rational.

Sorry that your tax dollars are paying for this fiasco. Maybe the fundies could propose a parcel tax to cover all such non-emergency events.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[FreedomAngel82]

3. Did they ask them to go away?

I didn't hear that one yet. I thought they liked all the attention.

[rzemanfl]

5. Brother whatsis was on the local news a little while ago. Said

Schindlers wanted people to go home and be with family for Easter, that Schindlers would give no further interviews. Then the brother lit into Jeb Bush citing he should act due to denial of communion and Terri suddenly speaking after 15 years supposedly trying to say "I want to live!" like she was Barbara Stanwyck (if I have that last part wrong, some movie wonk will let me know I'm sure).

On edit Brother Paul O'Donnell. Susan Hayward not Barbara Stanwyck.

Randall Terry is now saying the "Go Home" comment was not to be taken literally. Nonetheless, "ugh" still means "I want to live!"

[0007]

12. "I want to Live" was a movie that stared Susan Haywood

[rzemanfl]

16. Hayward. 1958. n/t

[0007]

30. Did you see the movie or did you google the information?

[rzemanfl]

34. Oddly, for some reason I remember seeing a lobby card

for this movie in the Rose Theater in Franklin Park, Illinois in 1958
when I was 11 or 12 years old. Funny how the mind works. I did get the star wrong when I first posted and looked up the correct answer and year on the net. If I ever saw the movie I don't remember it at all.

[janx]

4. Nope.

I hope for your sake and for everyone's sake they do, but I don't think they will.

[flordehinojos]

6. since you live in Pinellas County, do you know if that is a for real

BROTHER in that brown robe? IF HE IS, do you know what order of brothers or of priests he belongs to? The one time i saw him (or maybe there were two brothers i saw in passing since i have refused to watch the circus) i thought the guy didn't look like a for real brother to me...he looked more like somebody who belonged to a cult than to a religious order...(but then there was a whole bunch of faithful i saw in the news down in miami who went to see THE PASSION OF CHRIST (i THINK IT WAS) and then walked from the movive house 6 or 7 miles to a (church?) where they replicated the stations of the cross. Latin American countries have always had PROCESSIONS on GOOD FRIDAY ... but that was no ordinary procession i saw on the news... and, anyhow, all of this to say, i think the whole thing has just gone mad.

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[flordehinojos]

14. you know the guy smells like one of those mini-rioters disguised as a

Franciscan Friar so much, that I would have to see his papers from ROME saying that HE in fact is a Franciscan Friar before I can believe that he is... and even then ...if he is an ordained friar, i'd have to say that he is missing the boat completely.

I copied this from the dying diary of someone i once knew and who, i was shocked, to find through the internet, her diary and the fact that she had died. I don't have the link to her diary anymore. I had just copied this excerpt from her diary... and this is what makes me say that this Brother is not a Friar but a LIAR put up bu the bush brothers and the Schindler family.

these are the words of my once upon a time acquaintance as she was dying:

"I learned recently from a gifted counselor that my healing needs to take place more at the soul-ular level than at the cellular level. What that awareness led to was understanding the destructive nature of fear and the importance of letting go of fear, moving instead toward love, its opposite. Our society tends to fear the ultimate loss of control, giving up to death. I cling to the belief that even after I die, I will be able to touch my family with my love for them. In Brian Wren's glorious new hymn "Bring Many Names," he speaks of death as "joyful darkness" --an image I appreciate, one that suggests to me happy unknown reunions. "

[goodboy]

20. he's friar fuck...(nt)

[chookie]

9. Franciscan friar

His name is Brother Christopher.

[flordehinojos]

11. is he a for real Franciscan Friar? Has he really been ordained a

Franciscan Friar or is he a mini-rioter posing as a Franciscan Friar?

[0007]

13. Monks are not ordained.

[flordehinojos]

17. monks are not ordained? any monk who says mass has to be ordained.

Brothers perhaps are not ordained.

[0007]

22. Monks don't do mass in the Eastern orthodox tradition or in

the Roman Catholic Church.

[flordehinojos]

23. Franciscan Friars do ... I think. I think that those priests who

celebrate Mass on EWTV (ETERNAL WORD T V) everyday are Franciscan Monks. but then again, i may be wrong.

[janx]

25. What's the difference between a monk and a friar?

?

[janx]

24. This conversation is really funny!

But maybe it just seems that way to me because I don't know the difference between a monk, a friar, or a brother.

[0007]

29. It is a gas ain't it?

A monk is a man who is a member of a brotherhood living in a monastery and devoted to a discipline prescribed by his order.

An ordained priest ministers to the people of that Church or Perish and does mass.

A Friar can be referred to as monk or a priest of the Franciscan order.

Most Christians call one another brother or sister.

[janx]

31. Thanks for the explanation about monks, friars, etc. n/t

[chookie]

15. He is legitimate as far as I can tell

His real name, I believe, is Paul O'Donnell.

[glaeken777]

18. possibly this:

If I read things right, he is a member of a founded order... it has St Francis in the title but is not the Franciscan order. It could be possible...and I'll admit to being too lazy to research it... that he's a third order Brother... which in essence is any lay order that can exist without official cognizance from the Vatican.

[chookie]

21. You may be right

Here is some more detailed info. They are from Minnesota, go figure.

"The media storm that has become the Terri Schiavo case catches a glimpse of them from time to time: black-robed men, obviously from a Catholic order but dressed in Middle Ages garb and sandals, hovering near the family.
-snip-
Anomalies or angels, the men are just the neighbors down the street to the people on LaFond Avenue in St. Paul, Minn.
They are the 10 friars of the Franciscan Brothers of Peace.
They live in the Queen of Peace Friary, a former convent in the Frogtown neighborhood. Founded in 1982 by a St. Thomas University graduate, Michael Gaworski, the order serves the poor and victims of torture and is an advocate for pro-life positions.
The order is recognized by the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis as the first community of religious brothers to be founded in the archdiocese. And although their clothing is more "The Name of the Rose" than Rosedale Mall, they have a Web site: www.brothersofpeace.org.

"rother Paul O'Donnell
The Terri Schiavo Case
 
Br. Paul is the Religious Superior of the Franciscan Brothers of Peace of the Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis.  The Franciscan Brothers of Peace minister to the poor, the homeless and unwanted, international victims of torture and women and families in crisis in the Twin Cities area. He received his Bachelor of Arts Degree in Communications from the University of Saint Thomas in Saint Paul, Minnesota in 1982."
http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5310306.html
 
Since 1973 Br. Paul has had extensive work and ministry experience in the Pro–Life movement. He and Br. Michael Gaworski, fbp, co-founded Pro–Life Action Ministries in Minnesota in 1981. Pro–Life Action Ministries is a Christian, direct–action organization saving lives primarily through direct action, sidewalk counseling and educational projects.
-snip-
Since Br. Michael’s death the Brothers have felt a strong calling and duty to defend the rights of brain-injured persons. This has led Br. Paul and the Franciscan Brothers of Peace to seek to help in any way they can Terri Schindler–Schiavo and her family. The Brothers want the world to see Terri’s life as priceless and of inestimable value, and her parent’s and sibling’s love for her as a lesson of devotion for us all."
http://www.relevantradio.com/docs/index.asp?documentid=3460
 

[flordehinojos]

33. aha! therein lies the whole mystery of this man, i think they've said his

name is Paul McDonell (or something like that)...

and as for dying, this is what, somewhat i had classess with a long time ago, wrote in her journal as she was dying. (I am reposting it)

"I learned recently from a gifted counselor that my healing needs to take place more at the soul-ular level than at the cellular level. What that awareness led to was understanding the destructive nature of fear and the importance of letting go of fear, moving instead toward love, its opposite. Our society tends to fear the ultimate loss of control, giving up to death. I cling to the belief that even after I die, I will be able to touch my family with my love for them. In Brian Wren's glorious new hymn "Bring Many Names," he speaks of death as "joyful darkness" --an image I appreciate, one that suggests to me happy unknown reunions.""

And, unfortunately, i do not have the link to her journal anymore.
She was studying to be a minister when she was diagnosed with a terminal illness.

[chookie]

8. It will vary

Some will maintain vigils. Some will go home.

What concerns me is that the media's fixation with this story -- an attempt to bolster Bush's religious agenda? -- has served to highly agitate an already highly volatile and hotheaded group of people. Already there have been disturbing incidents, that have fortunately been foiled, which have involved threats of violence or death upon some of the players in the case. This is not going to be the end of it.

While some of the folk involved are truly devoted to the pro-life cause, some of these folk are militants or potential vigilantes. The media has irresponsibly made this the New Waco -- and I predict there will be fallout from this, as there was from Waco. The various redneck militias may find a mission in this -- they certainly operate in the area; there is also presence of people from militia strongholds, like NC and Idaho. While most of these folk are going to go home and pray, some of these people are going to go home and build bombs. I know that these groups were not monitored by the Ashcroft Justice Dept; perhaps Gonzalez will ask DoJ to stand down too, even though I know the FBI has a lot of information on these groups and many individuals.

Something will happen, and CNN will cover it, and never even think about their role in fanning the flames of violent extremists. There is no such thing as a "lone nut" -- they usually operate within a social context that pretty much condones their violent actions, and there is a lot of passion here....

[sambird90]

10. how about faux

there actually calling for a murder investigation against Micheal Shivao.

[chookie]

19. A lot of nuts got face time

Take the OBVIOUS one, for example -- Tom Delay. He publically accused Schiavo of spousal abuse, claimed he had choked his wife and caused the brain damage, and that now he is murdering her.

CNN had some piece of white trash claiming that as a nurse she found empty insulin vials in Mrs Schiavo's trash, and injection holes under her breasts, and that she heard Michael Schiavo say "When the hell is that bitch going to die!!??" She claimed she reported this attempted murder to the police, but that her attempt to alert enforcement led only to her own dismissal from the hospice. I guess it's just another example of the liberal conspiracy to committ genocide on Christians :eyes: To say she was not credible is an understatement. It was wildly irresponsible of CNN to give this mad woman air time to spread her wild accusations.

And that's just CNN. I can only imagine Faux is far more bizarre.

Gee -- where's Tom Delay now? Sounds like His Chimperial Highness or Mr Rove had to call him off because of those unflattering opinion polls George W claims he doesn't pay any mind to....

[janx]

26. If this freeper is any indication, the answer is definitely NO.

(The original post was pulled, but it is quoted here):

To: Regulator
On Easter I am hoping that every priest in Pinellas County leads his Christian Soldiers with the Cross of Jesus in front of them in a march on the death camp, where they will rescue their sister and daughter from the hands of those possessed by Evil.

It would be a miracle.
18 posted on 03/26/2005 8:31:04 PM MST by MTOrlando

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1371563/posts
_________________________

See what I mean?

[Laurab]

32. They must have meant a march on the White House

Don't they know shrubbie's on vacation?

[bvar22]

27. No. They will hang on until Terri finds peace....

& then the REAL party begins.
I predict much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[janx]

28. LOOK!

To: Chad Fairbanks; EveningStar

People on another thread are saying the Schindlers asked everyone to go home, but Randall Terry came running out and objected, saying Mr. Schindler didn't mean it.

101 posted on 03/26/2005 9:00:01 PM MST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Gnome sayin'?)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1371563/posts?q=1&&page=101

[liberalitch]

35. They've been asked to by the family liason ?

and still they hang on?

This should tell us all that this is just a stop for this circus.
People like Randall Terry have no other function.