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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:15 PM Original message |
McCain's cross in the sand story...PLAGIARIZED |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's possible he didn't plagiarize it, but with his age and his love of Solzhenitsyn, |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. this story appeared in his book from 2005 which was written by McCain & Mark Salter |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Oh I have a 2008 date on that, let me revise... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. It's "Character Is Destiny". There a quite a few books supposedly by McCain & Salter |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. Oops, maybe I got the wrong book |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. yes and no |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I don't think that's incompatible with confusion. It's not uncommon for pre-senile people |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. So you think Mark Salter is pre-senile? Because he is the one who actually wrote the book |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. But he wrote it entirely off McCain's memories, of course; Salter wasn't there. |
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progdonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
74. I know I'm being kind of snippy... |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. Like Reagan thinking he had been involved in the |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
73. Exactly. Another senile Republican President who couldn't remember what was real. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Huh? There's no such thing as plagiarizing *yourself*. |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. except for when you plagiarized it from |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Ah - so in 2005 he stole the story. Gotcha - thanks! |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
36. actually, there is, thanks to the wonders of intellectual property law |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
40. In academics, being confused or forgetting a citation is not a valid defense. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Any political speech wouldn't pass academic muster. Citations are few and far between. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
66. In politics there's a huge difference between lifting someone's line |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. There is indeed, but "in academics" is not a valid line of reasoning to push that. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Didn't say it was. I was just saying. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
67. no but their is a great deal of difference between borrowing a slogan or |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
76. Kinda like Ronald Reagan telling stories that turned out to be from his movies? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
91. Either way - early alzheimers or shameless liar - he's UNFIT FOR OFFICE. |
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Phredicles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
5. Hey, if you're gonna steal, steal from the greats; |
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miles 2 go (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
28. Yes, and it's possible that Cindy thought that cookie recipe |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:24 PM Original message |
I thought it was a bit hookey...but to his base...it worked...gave him an op to insert the POW thing |
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Epiphany4z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
12. it screams |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Preaching to the Choir is one thing, decieving them is another... |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
95. Maybe he'll pick Giuliani for VP |
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LuckyLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
7. He's creating reality where it didn't happen, much like Hillary did with the sniper fire story. |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Thats right... |
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Cosmocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
33. Spot on, EXCEPT ... |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
9. Not only that, but he and Cindy are getting sloppy with ther |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Hahahahaha |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. LOL...I forgot about the recipe thingy....OMG, and they call themselves good Christains? |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
31. You can find it on Wikipedia |
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truthisfreedom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
11. Ouch. Caught like a rat in a trap. |
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CitizenPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
15. mc cain is a liar, nothing to see here.... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
16. So this is up there with Cindy McCain's recipes. |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
23. listening to that story made me want to reel... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
25. Spread the word ... |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. Be sure that KO gets this. nt |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
26. Good. I've always thought he made the story up. |
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globalvillage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
27. Maybe it wasn't a cross |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. ouch |
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Flying Dream Blues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #27 |
55. Bwahahahahaha...good one! |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 05:42 AM Response to Reply #27 |
87. thanks |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
29. This should have like 500 recommendations...... |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
34. "All Your Intellectual Property Are Belong To Us" |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
35. It's time for McCain to "just fade away." |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
37. Good catch |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
38. K & R ... |
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rndmprsn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
39. K+R BIG TIME |
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pollo poco (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
41. k & r n/t |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
44. If this were a Democrat |
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janet118 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
69. The only thing Snopes will say . . . |
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pansypoo53219 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
45. he used it for the current NPR all things considered |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
46. Bob Schieffer needs a copy of this. n/t |
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janet118 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
47. McCain re-tells many cinematic prisoner of war stories |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. LOL, no kidding, waiting for him to go into a Hogans Heroes episode |
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janet118 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #51 |
90. Dis-missed! |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
48. McCain and Sozhenitsyn could have had similar experiences. |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
49. Solzhenitsyn himself hated plagiarism |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 07:56 AM Response to Reply #49 |
88. It would be nice if the family sued. |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
50. So, when was the earliest that McCain told that story? Soon after his release, or in 2005? |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. He made NO mention of this life-changing "seared in his memory" incident... |
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NinetySix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
52. Reminds me of an old Steven Wright joke. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I once folded a map of the United States |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. Somebody stole my POW camp |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
54. This story is getting some legs. Freeperville is deleting threads as fast as "trolls" can post them. |
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DinahMoeHum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Hah!! The thread has been "pulled" |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
57. So McCan'tReadAMap is a McPlagiarizer?? |
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grillo7 (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
58. John McCain was invented by Mark Salter...K&R n/t |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
59. Fake Cross In The Dirt story already YANKED on FR! |
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grillo7 (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
61. This combined with the no baptism thing could sink his battleship... |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
62. Is McCain Now Copying Solzhenitsyn? -- Taegan Goddard |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
64. This story could hurt Obama more than McCain. You have video of Christmas Day like with Snipergate? |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. LOL! |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. oh no, it's too dangerous!!! give me a gigantic break. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
79. Obama shouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. However-- |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 02:23 AM Response to Reply #64 |
85. So let me get this straight: This story can't be used against him because it isn't like Snipergate |
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janet118 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #64 |
92. Actually, it's the pattern that could damage McCain . . . |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
68. Drawing in the sand and rubbing it out goes back to Biblical times |
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globalvillage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Early Christians drew fish in the dirt |
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skyounkin (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. That's what I was thinking too |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #68 |
89. That['s what I was thinking -- McCain may or may not have been telling the truth |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-17-08 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
70. ...ain't it convenient Solzhenitsyn 's not around to complain any more. |
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WhiteTara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
80. John McCain is a beer alcoholic who has |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
81. Send it to all media outlets. I've already e-mailed it to friends. |
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thenationalchronicle (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
82. Imagine the stink if it was a Dem |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
83. Far too many signs McPasture is over due.....call it a night and retire to the Green Grass |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 02:22 AM Response to Original message |
84. Kick and recommended |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 03:50 AM Response to Original message |
86. Seems that despite having the questions a head of time and |
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Mugsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
93. Grab the video. |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-18-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
94. but i did see MCCAIN'S face in a POTATO...does that count |
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