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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 11:08 AM Original message |
The Problem with Vote.orgs |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. Get to DC. Hurry. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 11:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Isn't Georgia |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 11:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Hey, I went to DC |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. HR 550 |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Not a clue |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. No activism just counter-activism-great! |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. It is all we have recently seen, eh? |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. TRUTH is not counter-activism |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Sorry, truth is NOT counter-activism |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Choicepoint is no friend of democracy-do a little research. |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Greg Palast is full of shit |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I am an activist with several ER groups as well as volunteer with |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. And, |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. IT WAS NOT CHOICEPOINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Choicepoint: |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Greg Palast is a liar. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. More Choicepoint: |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. It's LEGAL |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. " personal data may have been accessed by "unauthorized third parties," |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:24 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. So.......where's your posts on all the other (more dramatic) |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. It's legal. We don't like it. |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. You don't have to - but you CANNOT LIE about it. |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
84. Ummm.... |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 06:33 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. It also doesn't mean you can LIE |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 10:20 PM Response to Reply #84 |
96. Don't be swayed, tbyg52 |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 03:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. More Choicepoint: |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. The executive she speaks of said...... |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. More Choicepoint: |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. IT WAS NOT CHOICEPOINT |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. A Legal Resource for the International Human Rights Community |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Oh, and BTW..... |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Is that crickets I hear? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I stole their idea? That's crazy. |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Try again. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 11:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
81. Georgia and Maryland share alot in common |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
58. After reading many of your posts, I see why your legislation failed. |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Bzzzt, not MY legislation |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
78. LOL. How do you "steal" legislation? (nt) |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. Idea. I-D-E-A |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
2. recommended. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
4. HAND COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS, COUNTED AT THE PRECINCT LEVEL W |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. Right! So who will now vette |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. funny...other democracies can do it in 4 hours. Do you realize the cost |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Kelvin - I live in pretty small county and I am pushing for |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 07:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
67. Lower? In what way? |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 07:29 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Work *with* me please -- |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Sorry, didn't mean to seem as though I were giving you grief |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 07:59 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Thanks. Until we have elections more frequently so that |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 08:19 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Here is one new idea |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 08:46 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. I read a sudy on hand counting that Dr. Ted Selker (MIT) |
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neoblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
7. Onto Something There... |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Exactly, HCPB |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
20. Stay Tuned. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. How much in favor? |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 03:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
87. The problem is not with the orgs, although |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Howdy |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Read HAVA yet? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 09:35 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Yes I have read HAVA do a search for my discussions |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. So, you know more than it seems. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-18-06 12:16 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Good for you Cookie |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-18-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Is that what it's called, conjecture? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-18-06 07:01 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Well, yes |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Now don't go injecting science, logic |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. Key phrase: "if the thugs in charge could...." |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 12:21 AM Response to Reply #38 |
82. Sounds good to me. E-fraud isn't the only fraud. It's just more subtle. nt |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Evoting carries other dangers that paper ballots |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 01:25 AM Response to Reply #38 |
83. Excellent point. |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
85. "With or without HCPB one of the most important steps for the Dem party" |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #85 |
97. Yes, yes. No one is arguing for paperless e-voting or not auditing paper |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Yes, true. n/t |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 04:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
47. There ya go! Right straight on. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
23. Anyone who is serious about this issue has learned |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Solution |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. If you don't want "electrified" elections, move |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
53. Move? WTF? Hell no!! |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
65. It's called sarcasm... |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Pangloss? WTF? |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 07:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Nope, not mispelling |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. You support having ES&S machines in your state |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 08:49 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. I support OpScan system |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. So, I assume you've volunteered to be a pollworker? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. When it all goes paper, hell ya. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #48 |
72. So, you don't wish to be bothered to actually LEARN |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Wrong |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. How come some jurisdiction still Hand Count, then? |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Some jurisdictions hand count |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. I'll bet most precincts are "very small and the ballots tend to be simple" |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
62. No, it is not unique, it is pretty common |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 07:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
69. Because they can, because their voting base |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
34. K&R! |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
37. The Mexican election using paper ballots was just stolen. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. Indyop, certainly any system can be subject to fraud, but with proper |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
66. IndyOp, that's fine |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
54. smears of activist orgs being "bought and paid for" |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:26 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. ROFLMAO - Branch Bevidians!!!!!!! I LOVE IT. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Wait! |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 06:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Yes. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 06:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Since you do not read me then |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
64. Georgia had legislation introduced in 2004, |
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Cookie wookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 08:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
92. the link above had an error. |
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flyingobject (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
93. have you tried to change things? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 10:18 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Who are you? |
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