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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:06 PM
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No offence, but why are all white men so aggresive?
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 02:40 PM by bemildred
Sometimes it takes so long to figure out what's wrong with a question that you never quite get to the answer. At the forum on being British and Muslim organized by the Guardian last week, participants argued that some of the questions and issues being raised would never be put to white Christians, for example. These included: "do you have a duty to vote and/or participate in British political life?"; "do you have a responsibility to inform on political or religious groups who use violence to achieve political ends?"; and "do you want integration into British society or parallel lives? Why?"

The reluctance to confront these particular questions didn't stifle debate, but it raises broader issue of how and when to withdraw from problematic dialogues.

Sometimes, though not in this forum, questions can be so pregnant with assumptions that they are, arguably, better left unanswered. Not because they do not relate to important issues, but because they are so loaded with prejudice and crippled by ignorance, thoughtless in tone and reckless in content, that the manner in which they are put renders them incapable of addressing important issues. To engage with them would be to legitimize their bias.

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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:12 PM
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1. Self-deleted.
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 02:15 PM by tasteblind
Nevermind.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:18 PM
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2. I've been asked that very question by several Native American people
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:38 PM
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7. Now there's denial.
Ask them to account for the arrowhead in the skull of that ancient Pueblo woman.

Or the walled encampments on the Mississippi.

And we never did find out what happened to Virginia Dare.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 10:33 AM
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44. what is that word that was carved in the tree? Croatoan?
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:19 PM
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3. It's because we're the Top Banana, B.
We just happen to be the People on Top. If some other collection of people, say the Chinese were in fact Masters of the Universe, they would rule with an Iron Fist, believe me.

Power has a need to keep things the way they are. It wants to keep going. Think of it like a vortex. But within the structure, however, are the seeds of its own destruction.

That's what we're seeing today. We're spending ourselves into bankruptcy on our military adventures. We've managed to piss off practically every country on the planet, except maybe Madagascar.

Meanwhile, China sits back and waits......
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:24 PM
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4. I kinda disagree.
When a question is based on a faulty premise, my instinct is to attack the faulty premise. You don't answer the question so much as attack it.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:35 PM
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5. What a ridiculous thing to say.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=116x8451

Do you never read anything about Africa? How about the Japanese invasion of China?
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:36 PM
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6. why cant people spell?
I am a white man, I am not aggresSive, but that supposition is offenSive.......OK just foolin' Im aggressive as hell.....
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:55 PM
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10. Why can't people spell "can't" right?
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 04:08 PM by The Backlash Cometh
The golden rule of the internet. If you correct someone's mistake, you will inevitably make a spelling error of your own within a post or two.

Edited to add an omitted word. (See what I mean?)
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:09 PM
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11. Hahah Hoisted on my own petard
I wish I could come up with a reason for using 'cant' per Miriam Webster < eleven definitions for cant> here's number six:

Main Entry: 6cant
Function: noun
1 : affected singsong or whining speech
2 a : the private language of the underworld b obsolete : the phraseology peculiar to a religious class or sect c : JARGON 2
3 : a set or stock phrase
4 : the expression or repetition of conventional or trite opinions or sentiments; especially : the insincere use of pious words

but I am too honest and Bemildred would never go for me calling that thread starter insincere, trite, repititious or using obsolete underworld jargon...hey wait a minute......nope can't do it, repeat I just can't.......O8)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:27 PM
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12. Time to recant, then. :-) eom.
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 06:31 PM
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13. Ouch
I will then, as soon as I finish this decanter.....
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:40 PM
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8. YOU HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE THING. nt
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 06:46 PM
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14. thanks, I found it amusing
I started to reply to the questions (as an American white man), but it got too personal.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 06:59 PM
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15. Sigh.
Coming from a site in Taiwan, I thought it was interesting.
And of course the point made is a good one, if you calm down
enough to get it.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 07:06 PM
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16. Calm down? I was being sincere, and I thought calm
I really did find it amusing. I also got the point that was being made. You don't think Younge used humor to make his point?

Oh well.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 07:26 PM
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17. Not you, "you". You were fine. nt
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 08:36 PM
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28. NO WE DON'T
the subject line is offensive enough
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:53 PM
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9. There is one southern baptist family that I've gotten to know
pretty well. The comments made by the daughter are very revealing. She said, "My dad says we come from people who killed people." I think she was referring to Vikings. She said it defiantly. I wanted to lighten it up so I said, "Oh, yeah, we'll we come from people who pee on your lettuce everyday."

I don't think these people will ever be willing to take a backseat to anyone. And what's more, I think the business/global world has taught our businessmen that cheating at all costs is acceptable. You take that one step further where businessmen have infiltrated our government and are now running government the way they run business and you'll see why we are now in an era of chaos.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:29 AM
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18. ORIGINAL ARTICLE and description of the meeting, lttes about the article
http://www.guardian.co.uk/islam/0,15568,1357556,00.html

why not read this as published in the Guardian?
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 02:41 PM
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19. My being a white female, I have an idea why white guys are so aggressive
Edited on Wed Jan-12-05 02:46 PM by StopThePendulum
It's history. White male culture is but a legacy of the conquest mentality of ancient Rome. If one subscribes to a conquest mentality, one will believe himself or herself superior to other people, races, ethnic groups, and cultures, especially cultures foreign to his or her own, and will seek to overpower them and force them to convert to his or her way of life. Sadly, this attitude has been passed down from generation to generation--for about 2500 years! We see the consequences of the Legacy of Ancient Rome to this day.
In other words, it's not an inborn, genetic racial trait among whites to be aggressive and think themselves supreme; it's learned behavior which can be unlearned.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 11:29 AM
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20. Presumably the reason why white men
(and non-white men, and to a lesser extent women) are agressive is because 500,000 years ago life really was every man for himself (the way conservatives maintain that it still is, to get in a cheap dig) and if you weren't agressive you didn't survive to breed.

I suspect the cultural effect is to supress, not promote, agressive behaviour.

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TheOriginalAmerican Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 10:16 AM
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21. They're taught to be that way.
In America, males and whites have dominance over people of color and females. The groups with the most power normally do think that they're superior to the others, even if they don't realize that they're thinking that way. It's not just conservatives who are like this. Progressives are like this as well. Have you ever tried to participate in a progressive group to find the white people and the males trying to dominate all the decision making? They don't even realize what they're doing.

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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:53 PM
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30. And allowed to get away with it n/t
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 09:44 PM
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23. Get this racist sitting on Taunton Housing authority!!!!
Racist fuck on the Taunton Housing Commission that wastes tax dollars spamming Message Boards.

http://www.ci.taunton.ma.us/direct.htm

Taunton Housing Authority - 30 Olney Street

CONTACT: Colleen Doherty (823-6308)
Dorothy Ham
**F. Roger Hoffman**
Alan Pelletier
Raymond Boffetti
Edward Swartz

F. Roger Hoffman posts on the Arianna online forums as "Winger Ace".
http://www.ariannaonline.com/forums/index.php ?

He has been known to threaten posters families and brag of a HUGE weapons Cache in his house. This man is not mentally fit to hold a Government job. He spends his days wasting tax payers money posting ant-arab tripe on message boards.

Contact your local Democrat representative to get this racist asshole out of office. No one should tolerate their tax dollars being wasted on this fuckstick!!!!!

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IrishDemocrat Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:22 AM
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24. Am I missing something?
I am a white male. I was also told to vote Bush because he opposes Affirmative Action and I'm a white male. I replied "Where's my Country Club memebrship or my invitation to the Andover Academy Alumni Ball?" I voted for John Kerry! I was also told to vote for Melissa Brown for my Congressional Seat because "she'll help keep our neighborhood white by elminating Section 8 housing." I said " And she can magically elminate the program because?" I voted for Allyson Schwartz!

Aggressive? Hmm, I am in certain aspects, but I also find black males can be aggressive as well. Your point again?
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Krist Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 11:53 PM
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27. naa, they arent
Its up to people at an individual level.. you cant stereotype everyone.
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tucoramirez2005 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:38 PM
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29. That question explains
why white men have fled the Democratic Party in record numbers, and reduced it to third-party status. While losing the Southern white Democrats of the 50s and 60s was a great thing, it has gone much farther than that. For the second presidential election in a row, the Democrats lost every state in the "Old South".

More disturbing for Democrats: increasing numbers of white women are voting like white men.
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T-Bone Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 01:07 PM
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31. Huh?
As an American of latin descent (proud to be an American first) my experience is......different. I'm talking about my life experience.

Whatever white racism or ignorance that I have endured was mostly in the form of indifference or exclusion. They did not want me around, which is fine. I think people have that right.

But when it comes to racial violence and hostility, my experience has been that blacks are more aggressive and racist. Thats my experience.

Being a lighter shade of brown, I can remember having to run for my life when I was about 18 from five blacks who wanted to stick knives in me simply because I walked past their stoop.


It defined hypocrisy.
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really annoyed Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 02:00 AM
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32. Change Subject Line...
"Why are all men so aggressive?" ;)

Just kidding. O8)

:hi:
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:23 AM
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33. of course...
A. Not all white guys are aggressive
B. Other races and genders are aggressive too...

but....

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:45 AM
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:24 PM
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35. hey....
i always checked back here...but i must have missed it...why was the reply to my post deleted....pm me if possible...

just call it morbid curiosity...
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Vuem Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:12 AM
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36. No offense, we're not.
You're welcome.
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:23 AM
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37. Because we are entitled!!
;-)

or at least many of us think so.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:16 PM
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39. wow, 2 posts and you got tombstoned
How sad. :cry:
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GracieM Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 04:15 PM
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40. Why are humans so aggresive?
Isnt' that what this thread boils down to?

I doubt men of other skin colors are less aggressive...
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infinitehangover Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 11:55 PM
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41. It's worked for them to get to the top, so they continue a working patern.
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pro_blue_guy Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 01:04 AM
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42. I'm a white male. I'm not aggressive.
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Indy_Dem_Defender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 01:37 AM
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43. My 2 Cents on this from a white male
As a white 20 something male that is in the lower-middle class of the economy, I’d like to just share my 2 cents on why white males are so aggressive. First it’s all about economic class, haves and have-nots. You have the rich white males with wealth, money, power, fine things in life they make up the majority of the 5% extremely filthy rich here in America they are the real haves. Then you have the Upper-middle class, Middle Class, Lower-middle class, and poverty making up the have-nots, with each class starting with Upper-Middle class being envious of the classes above it in the economic ladder along with this there is a era of uppity behavior towards classes below from the higher economic class.

Being envious is jealousy for which leads to resentment, so how come there isn’t some major earth shattering resentment towards the very top 5 percent the haves? It’s because they know how to manipulate the have-nots they have been doing this for centuries ever wonder how monarchies lasted as long as they did. They’ve gotten better with time using things such as gender, race, religion, sexual orientation and geographic differences to divide and conquer. This isn’t just white males this is every demographic: Male Vs Female, White Vs Black, Muslim Vs Christian, Gay Vs Straight, North Vs South and so on, all the have-nots are distracted by this issue in the mean time all staying oppressed while as the old saying goes the rich get richer.

Back on the subject of aggressive white males, as I’ve said before I am a white male, I’m also Christian along with being straight and living in a northern state. Minus not having my vehicle pasted with yellow magnets and being a flag waving republican aggressive white male, I have things in common with a lot of them. They are the way they are because they look like the haves but they aren’t and most never will be, some come to accept this and some need to find reason, an excuse. Please no one Take this the wrong way, but as a white male I’m not allowed to come up with a reason for the outcome of my standing on the social/Economic class system. I can’t say I’m being discriminated against because of my gender, skin color, religion, or sexual preference, I appear to be in the haves by my appearance but is the haves that are working against me and every other have-nots white males and everyone else to keep us all oppressed. If I state this to an average white male I’d get “Pull yourself up by your boot straps’ type response.

Where the aggression comes into play well since there are no real reasons {besides my previous sentence) for those who haven’t figure out what I seen then an excuse has to be made by the white male, some make up excuses often times in fear on their own or someone else manipulates them such as media outlets (example rich right-wing AM radio personalities that happen to be Haves) discriminating against other forms of minorities placing blame on them for their problems and society at large, is the simple excuse. You often hear “my job got outsource to India those damn Indians stole my job,” truth is it wasn’t the Indian that stole your job it was the rich haves that happened to be running the company that caused this. “I can’t find a job cause all the damn illegal Mexicans are stealing jobs from Americans” well once again it’s the haves not the illegal Mexicans benefiting from this the most. “My favorite radio and TV Stations just switched formats to Spanish only and last week” the Hispanics might seem to be benefiting from this but who’s making the money off even more than before the switch guess the haves who own it. See Companies run by haves don’t see gender, race, religion or sexual preference; they only see green and how that can make more money off the have-nots, why else would the give minorities in pro sports such large wages because it makes them money in return. To give an example and the exact point in history when this came into effect was during the civil rights movement, when Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on a bus to a white male she was arrest, the African Americans in the community boycotted the bus company for like a year, in that time the bus company just about went bankrupt with lose of revenue from the loss of the African American bus riders, guess what happened the bus company soon started giving them equal rights on their buses not because they where being nice because the wanted their business again. Over time all smart haves running companies realized what happened with the bus company didn’t want this happen to them as well.


It’s not just economical that causes the development of the Aggressive White male, it’s social as well. An example of this would be “I didn’t get accepted at the university because of affirmative action they picked a minority with lower grades over me” hey does happened but what if it was found that some of the white males accepted was picked because of their families were haves, it happened with George W. Bush it happens all the time. As a straight white male there are careers that labeled “Women’s Work” such as working as a nurse, a florist, a secretary that are big no-no’s for men to choose to work if they do they are labeled gay. I’ve worked in one of these fields and traveling everyday in my job, personally the amount of aggression from fellow white males I experienced was unbelievable I was called every name in the book from them and I guess they thought I was gay cause I work in a field dominated by women, I don’t know if since they thought they knew what I was if they felt they could let their aggression out on me without response. Another case of stirring up aggressive behavior in have-not white males by haves is same sex marriage the often quoted response is “it will ruin the sanity of marriage.” I’m sorry but when over 50% of marriages end in divorce I think straight people need to lay off gay people and let them have a shot at it maybe that will dip make below 50% then and anyways maybe with one less thing to worry about the aggressive white male will but more energy in his own marriage. I don’t even think I need to get into all the years of aggression against African Americans, we all should know by now the stories of aggressive behavior or even the last few years post 911 all the fear and excuses used by the haves against all the American have-nots for personal gain you can read all that here on democratic underground. There some much more examples of causes of aggressive white males but I don’t want to write a book here so I’ve spoken my peace I hope I open some eyes on this subject and not cause anyone to fall asleep reading my post.
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