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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 02:28 PM Original message |
Does Obama think he can execute a "capitulation disguised as compromise" platform w/o us noticing? |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. Al Gore? |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Gore took the left for granted, and it cost him the presidency. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
102. Democrats that vote for Nader thinking it will help progressives |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. Gore lacked Clinton's skills |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I've said it from the get-go, Obama reminds me of Clinton. nt |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
29. dear gods |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. What happened in 1996 after all of the horrible thing you described? |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Yes... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #32 |
55. On the other hand, Dems lost Congress to batshit crazy Republicans for 12 years |
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SarahB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 01:21 AM Response to Reply #55 |
86. Here Here! |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. I'm still hoping, toop. But when you check out Geithner and Rubin and Summers, |
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snake in the grass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #29 |
89. Yes, you are right. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 06:13 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Way to foolishly and excessively misinterpret the poster. Straw man? |
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snake in the grass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #92 |
100. Thank you... |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
3. As I said before.. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Has them by the balls? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. LOL! |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
7. If he expects us to "buy into his "post-partisan" utopian rhetoric", I don't see how this |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
8. Critical thinkers like post-partisan solutions |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. What about when one side of the issue is batty? |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Well critical thinkers will see that |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. That is my main hope & concern here. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. "Critical Thinking" and "Centrism" do not mix. |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. "Critical thinkers" start with the assumption that they... |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. I agree, except with the post-partisan |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Ummm... |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. You are making this too philosophical |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. How did we get from... |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. How do you know what my views on policy are? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. there are not "two sides" |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Thank you for articulating this. |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. They are usually more than two sides |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. "Republican" means "ideas" |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. Why don't you elaborate a bit... |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. On some areas of the economy free markets work best |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. you need to work within the other party |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Fuck that |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I see |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Because I agree with the Democratic ideals |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. explain them |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Here are some |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. thanks |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Ha, I still take that as an insult |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Absurd. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. thanks |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. OMFG, Why don't you use that criticism towards Barack Obama |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Ah |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. I think you are overreacting personally |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:59 AM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Uhm |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 01:35 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. I don't have anything to disagree with Obama yet |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I cannot understand it. |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. I ask questions, but don't see anything necessarily wrong with his appointments |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #87 |
101. not about you |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. You can criticize him all you want |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. whi cares about that? |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. I care |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. I don't want a master |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #70 |
84. Bravo! |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #20 |
95. This deserves its own thread. nt |
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arthritisR_US (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #95 |
108. it sure does! n/t |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
11. Keep the pressure on, but don't despair. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
14. What do you mean 2012? |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
48. fool me once shame on me.... |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
15. I'm going to wait and see |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. A progressive agenda... |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Fuck you |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Juche |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. There are always those who feel the need to feel victimized no matter what happens. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Yep |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
109. please point them out for us |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. There are always those who feel the need to say "Don't play victim" every time someone complains |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. There isn' t one action taken by his administration and yet you know what it will be like. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. appointments are "actions". |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I just feel that some really good changes are going to come down the pike. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. good for you. others feel differently. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Of course they do. I'm hoping and thinking that they will be pleasantly surprised. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. the appointments thus far don't support your hope. nor your assertions |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #51 |
83. "feel?" |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #43 |
96. Exactly. We need to do our part in the grand negotiation for whose views are carried out. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #26 |
73. oh be quiet |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. self delete |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. heh |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Ha, I changed my mind and decided not to go there for now |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. no problem |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. that was rude on my part |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. And you draw this conclusion based on what evidence? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Heh |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
53. yes, leave us not be "negative," "be free". |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #18 |
85. Hmm |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
67. Limbaugh doesn't care if he is right or wrong |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
16. Oh for the love of Mary !! Get a grip. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
17. his "post-partisan" utopian rhetoric |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
27. I don't think he's too concerned.. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
35. If he does, then we shall remind him why he can't. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
41. sure does. works for congress, why not for him? |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
45. I believe it goes without saying |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Yes maam, I believe you are, indeed, correct! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
58. Deleted message |
LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
59. Why wouldn't he? |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
68. Obama is way overconfident that's for sure and he is alienating great amounts of people. |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:15 AM Response to Reply #68 |
94. sad because gore seemed like a good guy,no clue about obama |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #68 |
98. That's another one of my main concerns--Obama's overconfidence |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
79. An awful lot of people here have fallen for it. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
80. Yup, the fringe is out tonight! |
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StreetKnowledge (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 02:52 AM Response to Original message |
91. Is anybody really surprised by that? |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 06:23 AM Response to Original message |
93. It's not that he doesn't notice. It's just that the Bushie False Reality Bubble might (and I stress |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
97. I'm not going to judge before he is on the job. However, what you have described |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
99. all this was signaled with the embrace of powell. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
107. I for one am beginning to doubt his word. |
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