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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 03:48 PM Original message |
Yes, the health care bill should pass. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. Hearty K&R |
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Bonn1997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Compromise implies a moral principle of fairness to all parties. A compromise cannot be bought |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Succumbing to extortion? |
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Bonn1997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. More accurate than compromise--by far. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yes, pass it and keep on fighting. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. There is a fatal flaw in the "pass any old shitty bill and fix it later" argument. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. The fellow in your avatar seems to think it's a good start |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Dr Dean probably is more optimistic about the current state of the political process than I am |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
6. Kick for a Good Start as Dr |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. Not in my opinion |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
10. The bill will entrench the Private Insurers as the richest and most powerful sector |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. If what Obama says is true, that they are one-fifth of the economy, then |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. With all due respect, what's your game plan? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
28. Thanks for asking. First of all, |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 04:23 AM Response to Reply #28 |
52. We don't even have to reject it. Just recycle the good parts in other legislation. n/t |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
11. My biggest problem with it is with the mandates. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
12. Nice post. K&R. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
15. Jeff's theorem: the likelihood of unrecs is directly proportional to the good info provided. |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I feel DU goes through cycles |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. Why do you see your post as either pro or anti-Obama? Or is your support |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. pro or anti-Obama is a convenient shorthand |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 04:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
56. God forbid that we actually talk about policies and how they affect people |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. You may have something there. And it happens to boths sides of the debate, |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. Well said. n/t |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
17. It doesn't actually kill kittens or pour acid on puppies so let's reward all involved! |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. awful post |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Obviously you have nothing to bring to the conversation. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
18. Once again - excellent post |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
20. The Democrats are trying their best to bring the Republican Party roaring back... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
39. Oh, people will just blame it on those dastardly Repos, the media, bad luck, etc. They |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
22. About the Canadian system, they did it in Saskatchewan first as |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. A couple points: |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Putting the Kucinich amendment back in would be smart in terms of public support. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 04:48 AM Response to Reply #25 |
57. The public approves because they don't give a flying fuck about the people-- |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. HR 3962 is NOTHING like the MA model. Obama opposes the |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. How is it different, and do you have a link to Obama expressing his opposition? |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. The only thing they have in common is they both have "mandates" |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. I bet we could pass single payer iby initiative in MT, especially if we could raise some money |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 04:28 AM Response to Reply #22 |
54. Pennsylvania's getting closer to Single-Payer too... |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
23. I Want My Pony!!!!! |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. "getting this legislation passed means it can and will be amended without all the hoopla we've |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 04:25 AM Response to Reply #23 |
53. How about not wanting a shit sandwich? |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 04:40 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Not What I Want... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 05:13 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. I see. With Medicare so popular that TEABAGGERS don't want government to |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 06:15 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. And This Matters How? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 06:55 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. So why not ask your representatives to let the public option be voluntary buy-in |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 07:18 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I Was There and Did Tell Her... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. That is not all you can do |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Yep...They'll Usher Me Right Into The Meeting... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. You can at least bother to call your congresscritters with your suggestions n/t |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Read My Posts... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. If you've done that all along, you can keep doing what you have been doing |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Bless You... |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
24. K&R. with links and comments. |
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Aragorn (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
29. question |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. Health insurance works by risk-pooling, which the individual market doesn't currently have |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
30. And so should the next one, which patches this release. n/t |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
37. Kick and Rec n/t |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
40. "You'll want all day tomorrow, I suppose?" |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
41. Yes. Once health plan laws are established, they can, and WILL, be adjusted later. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Sure, right after bush is held accountable and when the medicare part D is fixed, and |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 04:22 AM Response to Reply #41 |
51. Yeah, right. Just like we "improved" NAFTA and welfare "reform" n/t |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 04:51 AM Response to Reply #41 |
58. Yes, they'll be adjusted to screw us even worse n/t |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
42. IMHO the Senate wont strengthen the bill but most likely dilute it. nt |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
45. Most of the corporate tools in Congress need to be thrown out. |
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ProleNoMore (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
46. So A Flawed Bill Is Better Than A Good Bill - What Kind Of Logic Is That? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
47. get as much as we can now and keep on fighting for more. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 04:52 AM Response to Reply #47 |
59. So voluntary buy-in to Medicare is impractical because why? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 04:22 AM Response to Original message |
50. It does about as much good as taking strychnine and vitamin C together |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-01-09 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
68. A health care bill will pass |
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