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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:56 PM Original message |
Why do people care if the Mandate provision is heard by the US Supreme Court? |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. It would be my fear that the Roberts court |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. we've already gotten screwed by business, thanks to this bill |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. The difference is |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
27. knr. The difference is the setting of a precedent. If it is ruled legal to |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Education as well |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. yes. good addition. Privatization can happen in so many areas if this |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. The President does seem to have embraced fascist principles on some issues |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. yep. People often get that distinction confused. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Privatising state systems and turning them over to a private entity |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. They are the court |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. The Scalia/ Thomas wing is probably hunting & fishing w/ the ins. bigshots right now |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. You can guarantee it. |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
42. But that wing hasn't just guaranteed that the ins bigshots can now afford even better vacations.Your |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think it's a fascinating constitutional argument. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
4. Not until a few fascists on the SCOTUS have been replaced |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. They are the legally appointed members of the court |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Thomas and Scalito, at a minimum, lied at their conformation hearings |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. What about auto insurance? I do think you have a point about the constitutional aspect. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Auto insurance is a licensure and registration issue |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Hmmmmmmmmmm |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
50. It is also a State issue, not Federal. n/t |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. A couple things on that to think about (not necessarily constitutional) |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Yes an absolves the State of penalizing people |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Excellent |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
54. Eighth amendment of Bill of Rights prevents |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
49. There are NO laws requiring full coverage auto insurance. Only liability coverage. |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. State insurance regulators are supposed to regulate this 'industry' in the first place |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. I don't know why that's so hard for people to understand. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
10. I'd like to see this happen |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
14. I'm looking forward to it although with the current mix of the court - |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. You may be surprised |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Do you not think Justice Kennedy might be a possible cross-over? nt |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Who knows, they may decide not to hear it at all |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
62. I think it will go to the courts and I hope it does soon. Next puke president |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
17. "Honestly, I for one, would like the court to hear this." Prepare |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. So Robert Shapiro says so, I guess he was good for OJ |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Mass. Supreme Court dimissed a similar case |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. That was a State Court |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Oops wrong Bob Shapiro |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
28. is it "federal powers" to be afraid of, or "corporate" powers? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Well the merger of the two has a name nt. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. yes, but "federal" powers increasing is different than "corporate", no? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Using the Federal powers to increase corporate/business powers is fascism |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. okay. I see where you're going with it... I agree. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
35. Next mandate will be to buy cable TV. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
36. Which provision of the Constitution does it violate? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Well |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. Show how that conclusion could come from the case law on |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Yes you are failing to see the point |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. That doesn't mean it won't fit prior precedent |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
37. I would like this decided one way or another, as soon as possible |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. There will be a multitude of lawsuit filed as soon as the bill is signed |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I sincerely hope the Supreme Court will decide to hear this immediately |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. They probably will if they intend to hear it |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
46. I'm a believer in strong goverment - |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
47. How fast they take this case would tell a lot |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
48. I would like for SCOTUS to consider it, just to settle the matter. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Social Security and Medicare are government programs |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. and yet the RW is making the same claims about their |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. The Right Wing are idiots |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
52. It sets a terrible precedent. n/t |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
53. Unregulated privatization (guaranteeing a corrupt profit) is tyranny |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
59. Fear. |
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