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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:14 PM Original message |
Poll question: Should parents who try to "change" their kid's sexual orientation be prosecuted for child abuse? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
1. It should be grounds for loss of custody, certainly. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. yes, whether it be religious based or secular based "conversion therapy". |
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MuseRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. Absolutely! |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
4. I knew someone whose parents send him to a camp when he was 17 |
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Mind_your_head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
5. Absolutely No. Trying to prosecute parents for trying to change their beliefs |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. "Beliefs" do not equal "orientation", No. Just no. |
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Mind_your_head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Beliefs - taught since birth - can be just as strong as "orientations" |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. "taught since birth" and "innate since birth" are NOT one and the same. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Some parents "believe" they need to beat the shit out of their kids cuz the bible says to. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. When did you decide you were heterosexual? |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 01:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
37. BULL. SHIT. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 06:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
53. That's so false, it's laughable. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 06:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
54. People can change their approach to abstract concepts like "God" or |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. No one said anything about parents changing beliefs. |
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Mind_your_head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. The OP's question is/was,,,,, |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Included in the OP was |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. So what do you think should happen to parents who do try to "change" |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. So you condone child abuse as long as its part of a religious belief? |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #13 |
32. And a big AMEN to that. nt |
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Rhythm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 07:30 AM Response to Reply #13 |
43. +1,000,000 |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 01:02 AM Response to Reply #5 |
36. How incredibly stupid. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 07:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
45. lulz |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
12. YES, YES, YES. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
14. Yes. It's abuse. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
16. I voted other |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. But if the kid "wants" that sort of therapy |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. maybe, maybe not |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. The child would "want" the therapy because his parents tell him he's an abomination, likely |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
17. Is sexual orientation biologically determined or socialized? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. That's your first thought, eh? |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. If it's socialized, I have two cousins who should be wearing brown |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I agree with your reasoning though. Also, if it was socialized, then these camps would actually work |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. *sigh* If you thought that was "reasoning" I have to work on my snark. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Does it fucking matter? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. actually Candace isn't the offspring of right wingers but the sister of one |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. I seem to remember Connie Chung interviewing Newt's mom back in the 90's |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:31 AM Response to Reply #17 |
41. This observer doesn't give a good goddam for that argument. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 07:38 AM Response to Reply #17 |
44. Is religion biologically determined or socialized? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. It's socialized. But that wasn't my question. nt |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
27. Their religious freedom means they're free to go to religious 'conversion therapy' |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-04-10 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
29. It depends. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
31. People's religious freedom ends when another person's rights are violated... |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
34. Put this in your pipe and smoke it. |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
35. Religious freedom my ass. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
38. I'm appalled that at least 9 people condone torturing children. n/t |
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Betty Karlson (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:19 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. They don't necessarilly condone it. |
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Betty Karlson (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:16 AM Response to Original message |
39. Only in cases of lasting damage. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. When do we ascertain the "lasting damage"?? |
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Betty Karlson (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 06:23 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Child abuse laws have good definitions of "lasting damage". |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:34 AM Response to Original message |
42. this isn' specific enought. If by trying to change the kid's sexual orientation |
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sohndrsmith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
46. What an odd question. Rather than offer a response, I'm curious |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 07:48 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. That was my thought. If a gay couple were found to be trying to change their childs sexual idenity |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
48. Yes. I think it is psychological as well as emotional abuse. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
49. Parents have been prosecuted for denying medical care to children, or |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
50. I'd have to say yes |
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