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Powerdot16 (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 10:13 AM Original message |
3 Detroit Children Die after energy shutoff |
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Craftsman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. The kind of world were corporations have taken over both parties |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. And a disturbingly large % of the populace that enables it via collective, smug denial |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
2. Link to the paper/article this was in please? |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Here's one. |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Okay, wait |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. When it is 20 degrees outside there is NO difference between |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Yes, they were |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. Yes, they were what? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. +1 |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. No, I'm blaming the adults in the household |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
118. Are we to assume then, that ALL the dead on that list were stealing from DTE? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. Did you read this in the above link? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #47 |
81. IOW, they WERE homeless squatters, simply trying to survive the winter. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #81 |
99. So you think being poor |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #99 |
116. the "right"? or the desperate need, with young children |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. If you would bother to read, if you are capable |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. I was responding to your words |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. I get it now |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. noticed you changed your sig line |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. That's been my sig line since 06. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. Which thread was that? |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. sorry, my bad, I had you confused with another poster |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. No problem |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:13 AM Response to Reply #32 |
102. +100 |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
50. The customer requested for the power to be cut off. |
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warm regards (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
63. I wonder how people survived before the invention of electricity? |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #63 |
97. My parents didn't have those kind of services while they were kids |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
117. oh, so they should have started a fire, they way people did before electricity? |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. You are right. Those kids deserved to die. n/t |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. They deserved a better mother |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. Plus the mother left her small children home alone without adult supervision |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 02:32 AM Response to Reply #24 |
108. Perhaps she was out trying franticlly to get some help... |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. In some states it's illegal to shut off the heat source during winter months if children or fragile. |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I'm not sure that's the case here, though. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. One of the articles you linked included a statement that DTE declined to comment on whether they had |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Yeah, I wonder if the DTE people made any effort to see if someone was living there. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 02:21 AM Response to Reply #31 |
103. The power was turned off at the request of the previous occupant, it was never restored. |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
3. Is DTE cutting off power in order to murder children? |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. One would think not. BG$E shut of over 73,000 families |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. What is BG$E? |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Baltimore Gas and Electric |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Collateral damage is OK |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Illegal hookup, mother leaves kids at home alone with |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Utilities have no sense of humor about theft. We call it 'current diversion', |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
96. Are you suggesting something else killed them? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 02:22 AM Response to Reply #96 |
104. For starters it was a fire that killed them. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
6. In Wisconsin, by law, gas and power cannot be shut off during winter months. |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. What if someone is moving out of the house and asks for it to be shut off? |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Smartarse. Some people think they are wits. |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. But the previous occupant asked for it to be turned off. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Power cannot be shut off for nonpayment or for being behind. |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. I agree with that. |
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Maine-ah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
28. same in Maine |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
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catbyte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
11. DTE sucks |
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flpab (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. no heat |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
16. Here in California Edison and the Gas Company will not shut off service for non payment |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
22. DTE is the f'ing DEVIL. No sarcasm. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
26. The handyman and the mother killed those kids. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. But its more fun to demonize a big bad corporation |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. I'm no fan of corporations and I think all utlities should be government owned. |
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Kievan Rus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
27. This is absolutely disgusting |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
36. So much misinformation on this thread |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. From the first article: |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. The same article |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I suspect there are a lot of details that have yet to see the light of day. |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Yeah, maybe we'll learn the details |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. I had no idea that landlords were required to pay your utility bill in Michigan. |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Huh? I never said landlords were 'required' to pay utility bills in Michigan... |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Here's how it works: |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Which was it? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. The People Who Turned Off The Electric Will Be Judged Like All Of Us. |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I appreciate your sentiment |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Thank You For Disrespecting Me Without Provocation |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #71 |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. You Mean Like Dr. King, Bishop Tutu, And Mother Tersea |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
89. i am sad that there are theists among us. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 02:24 AM Response to Reply #49 |
105. Judged for what? |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. It's pretty common here for gas and electric to be included. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
68. it sounds like the LANDLORD is the guilty party, NOT dte. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
76. Thank you for those links. |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #76 |
126. Problem I see is if there had been a fire caused by an illegal connection |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
52. K&R!!! |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
54. It should be illegal for power companies to shut off power in the winter!!! |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Exactly |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 07:39 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Good question. What an ugly fuckin' thread. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
95. "I think there may even be a special type of billing for rentals that covers this." |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 02:25 AM Response to Reply #54 |
106. If the power had been legally turned on by the occupant it wouldn't have been turned off. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
57. I'd say I'm surprised, but I'm not. Consumers is almost as bad, too. |
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Urban Prairie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
58. DTE shut us off exactly a year ago. |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Wow, thanks for your story |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
67. Murdered...? PUH-LEASE...sensationalist bullshit much...? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #67 |
79. What If They Were Literally Unable To Pay? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. apparently they do. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. I See |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. only those supposed 'christians' who would like to practice what they preach... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Ever Hear Of The Salvation Army? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #85 |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I Have No Truck For Anybody That Discriminates |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. if the salvation army is an example of a christian charity... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Here's A List Of Their Services. Which One Do You Dislike? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:02 AM Response to Reply #92 |
100. the ones that discriminate against gays. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 04:52 AM Response to Reply #100 |
110. Which Of Those Service Do You Provide To Your Fellow Man And Woman And How? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 09:19 AM Response to Reply #110 |
112. not my job. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. I Mentor At Risk Kids And Volunteer At An Assisted Living Facility |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. then why are you holding the red cross up as an example...? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I Think The Blood Donor Guidelines Are Set By The FDA |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:05 AM Response to Reply #93 |
101. you generally think wrong. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 04:51 AM Response to Reply #101 |
109. Was That Most Famous Of Christians, Dr. King A Joke? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 09:19 AM Response to Reply #109 |
111. when it comes to a belief in a supremme being- YES. |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
69. DTE only cares about one thing...harassing you to pay your bill. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
72. "Three babies die in DTE-shutoff fire" ... I'm confused |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Can someone explain this? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 02:29 AM Response to Reply #73 |
107. See it's not as much fun when you actually get the facts. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
86. How was the fire that killed the kids the DTE's fault? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
94. could someone explain the "left ten children" part? |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
98. Excuse me? |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
113. This is a perfect example where more regulation and laws are needed. |
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piratefish08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
115. Those hideous poor people stealing electricity. And just to survive, of all things. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
119. Sad. But thousands of children die every year because their healthcare is cut-off |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
124. Wasn't there an elderly gentleman who lived alone, and had his |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-08-10 08:52 AM Response to Reply #124 |
130. I think that was up in Alpena |
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