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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:38 PM Original message |
Obama says public option won't be passed in reconciliation bill! That should pretty much kill it. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. RIP, Public Option |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. The votes arent there... he is right! Blame the Senate! |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. That's really surprising considering how hard he and Rahm Emanuel have been pushing the Senate. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
37. which votes? and which senators? they should be forced to vote on its inclusion or exclusion |
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bluethruandthru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
69. That's right... |
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Nite Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
40. And he worked real hard |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
56. As long as we blame anyone but Obama, right? |
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gleaner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 05:23 AM Response to Reply #7 |
92. No... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. RIP Democratic Majority |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
71. The Senate crapsurance bill - RIP! |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
2. Point of fact- President Obama has promised to pursue Public Option later |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. yeah, like he promised it in his campaign speeches |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
53. Try to keep up. He never campaigned on the public option. nt |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
77. oh really -- uhh yeah, keep up |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 05:15 AM Response to Reply #53 |
88. Hmm. **cough, cough** bullshit **cough, cough** |
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texanwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Yeah sure. |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Obama said he would not sign a bill -- |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. And of course we should trust him. I guess it has escaped you notice that it is likely |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical about that promise. n/t |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. Yeah, I'm way past skeptical |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. I thought we weren't suppose to believe political promises. Things change again? |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
54. Not sure I can take much more of this 'change' stuff. nt |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. I will gladly pay you thursday for a hamburger today. nt |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. .... |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. He promised we'd have it now. n/t |
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bluethruandthru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
68. That's a great comfort to those who have no way of getting |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
83. Oh, come on... |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. k/r |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
4. "Lynn Woolsey Should Resign as Head of the Progressive Caucus" |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
33. Oh look! Another substantive response! nt |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. You expected me to take that silly comment seriously? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. Actually you take it as seriously as the president takes the public's demand for a Public Option! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Actually the President is delivering what the majority of Americans want |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Hey keep on believing but Tinkerbell still dies, and ya know what? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 06:27 AM Response to Reply #58 |
93. They don't want a bullshit substitute without a public option n/t |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
5. With HCR insurance companies are going to walk away from consumers. Public will then DEMAND |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. The public are ALREADY demanding it.The pols refuse to give it to them |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. +1000 nt |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. the public HAS been demanding the PO -- the WH has been IGNORING THAT FACT |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
8. Some promises, like those to insurance executives, are worth keeping. n/t |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
13. Worry about these guys instead |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. The GOP is going to have a FIELD DAY with any one who vote yes -- |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. And the Republicans will attack the health insurance excise tax. |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Yes, there's that too. |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
75. I disagree |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
96. However, those "costly premiums" will be a fraction of the cost |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 05:00 AM Response to Reply #27 |
87. You nailed it with one swing of the hammer. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 06:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
94. There ARE no goddam fucking subsidies to purchase health care!! |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
15. “He said the bill wouldn’t have been nearly as good as it is if we hadn’t advocated.” |
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ramapo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
19. Pass it and be happy |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
20. Wee need a ROLL CALL VOTE to see which 10+ FAKE democrats we need to FIRE! |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
22. "You can't get deader than dead." Greg Morris, Mission Impossible |
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ramapo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
23. Pass it..be happy |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
46. Cue the music..."Don't worry. Be happy." nt |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
24. My take on this. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. How can something be "good for the publics but bad for...tax payers"? |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
48. Obviously the public is the taxpayer. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
65. Which is why we need single payer - NOW. |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
41. "and come back sometime in the future " |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
63. Interesting |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. Just thought of something else. A public option will give the repubs |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. ass stat. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
28. Nobody seriously thought it would be |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. "Nobody seriously thought it would be." |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Ummm, I was stating this from a pragmatic standpoint, not a historical one |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. I am sure we will get the Public Option just as soon as they finish fixing NAFTA. nt |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. posted wrong place |
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Walk away (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
49. What "future"? The one when the republicans take back the house.... |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. lol |
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Walk away (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. I hope you're right. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
44. First we can't get 60, now we can't get 50??? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
95. Better believe it! |
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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
45. Is He Saying That If We Get 50 Votes He Will Instruct Biden Not To Break The Tie?.....nt |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I think he got Rockerfeller lined up to be the "Lieberman" for this round. nt |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. He doesn't think it will get 50 votes. I'm not so sure it would get 40 votes. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. There are now 35 who have signed the letter and several others who made statements supporting |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. I haven't seen that. Please provide a link. |
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Blue Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
51. Thank you, corporate overlords and bought-out politicians |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
55. Makes it easy to decide if I'm voting or not in 2010. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Obama is not running. Maybe you should decide based on what the people running do? (nt) |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Who, my blue dog rep? |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 05:16 AM Response to Reply #66 |
89. Your rep is Freddie Stubbs? |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 05:19 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. tee hee. |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
80. really? Uhh, others say different |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
59. What a let down to America... |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
60. INUNDATE ROCKEFELLER WITH CALLS !!!! NT |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
70. Relax! President Obama is playing chess with the public option. He's throwing Republicans off! |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 05:21 AM Response to Reply #70 |
91. This is the most complicated game of chess since the big bang. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
72. $375 per month for crappy healthcare from private con artists, minimum. nt |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
76. that's really telling progressives where to go; bait and switch, over and over, on almost every iss |
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jonathon (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
79. Bring this thing out back and shoot it. Then, start again with Single Payer. |
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Geek_Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
81. If the Cadillac tax is in it Obama and all the dems can kiss the presidency, senate and house goodby... |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
82. Mission Accomplished! |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 07:11 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Exactly! |
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Lord Helmet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
85. What he actually said is that he didn't think there were enough votes. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-05-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Nit picking. He said there aren't enough votes to pass a public option in a reconciliation bill. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
97. if they walk away empty handed, the democrats are fucked for years. they have to pass anything now |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-06-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. If "anything" is passed we will be fucked for at least a generation. |
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