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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 10:20 AM
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& now, disturbing truth of natural gas mining: Living In The Middle Of A 'Gasland'
http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=127593937

Josh Fox: Living In The Middle Of A 'Gasland'

June 10, 2010 - TERRY GROSS, host:

What would you do if you were offered a lot of money by a gas company in return for leasing the right to drill on your land? That was the position my guest Josh Fox was in. His family's land is on the Delaware River Basin, on the border of New York and Pennsylvania.

When the offer was made, he didn't know anything about the drilling process known as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, a process which was just described in our show by reporter Abrahm Lustgarten. It involves high pressure injections of millions of gallons of water, chemicals and sand into underground wells. This causes the rock layers deep underground to crack so that natural gas flows up the well.

Fox decided to investigate what happens to those toxins and how they affect communities that said yes to the gas companies. So he took his camera to over 20 states, where gas companies have been fracking. His new documentary, called "Gasland," won the Special Jury Prize for Documentary at the 2010 Sundance Film Festival. It will be shown on HBO Monday, June 21st.

<snip>

Mr. FOX: Well, you know, the first place I went was a town called Dimmick, Pennsylvania, which was about 50 miles from me, and I'm right near the New York, Pennsylvania border. What I found there was absolutely astounding. I found people who had leased for very little money - $25 an acre. And when I got to that town, the first thing that I heard about was a woman name Norma Fiorentino. Her water well exploded on New Years Day of 2009, and it sent a concrete casing soaring up into the air and scattered debris all over her yard. And then other people started to notice that their water was bubbling and fizzing, some of their water had been discolored.

By the time I got there just a month later, there were children who were complaining of getting sick, animals who were getting sick, and the whole place was pretty much laid to waste. I mean, there was like gas well pads everywhere, incredibly heavy truck traffic. It seemed like normal life had just been turned completely upside down. And I heard all these reports of people who could light their water on fire.

And I saw water tests which indicated lots of natural gas in the water, heavy metals in the water, which are - I've later found out to be associated with the drilling muds, which are the lubricants for the drill bit that punctures down through the aquifer. When you're subsisting off of well water for your whole life, your water is a point of pride. And I think everybody was shocked that their water, which had been great, would - had turned into something that they couldn't rely on and that they were afraid of.

GROSS: Now, you did find places where the tap water could be set on fire. Where did you go to find that?

<snip>

But at the same time, there's a kind of gallows humor that takes over, because I think they'd had so little ability to appeal to any government agency about this problem. You know, they were continually not being able to find a government agency, whether that was the State Department of Environmental Protection, or the - in Colorado, the Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission - generally, were telling them what was happening to them was not happening to them.

..more..

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 10:38 AM
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1. More and More Incentive to go toward Green Technology
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FBI_Un_Sub Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 10:49 AM
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2. Natural Gas
Edited on Fri Jun-11-10 10:49 AM by FBI_Un_Sub
is considered "green" by some in the industry.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 10:58 AM
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3. There are wells that have been running for decades without trashing the surroundings.
It doesn't have to be hydrofracking or nothing. We are be able to reduce the risk and regulate high safety, the owners just have to give up on extreme profits.

It should be if they say the only way they can get the gas is to hydrofrack then they don't get to get the gas.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:12 AM
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5. I know... too funny isn't it?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:15 AM
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7. and now they are even pushing nuclear power as "green"
I'd love to see the emergency preparedness they are planning/or NOT, for all the proposed new reactors.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:09 AM
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20. The word "green" was meaningless to begin with.
now it's just a marketing slogan.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:09 AM
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4. True, but in the mean time, due to the fracking, the ground water in many of these areas...
is now toxic.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:12 AM
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6. we will need gas for a long time until infrastructure starts to change more
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:50 AM
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8. So then polluting the ground water is just fine with you?
wow.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:58 AM
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9. geez man... I didn't even say that or try to imply that I did
I was just stating an unfortunate fact.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 12:01 PM
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10. well, if you had included that in your post, I wouldn't have thought that.
but again, you are okay with polluting water, because it's an unfortunate side effect?

Wow, again.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 12:09 PM
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13. alright.. you definitely have a problem
you replied to my first post, what did that first post say? Usually people are intelligent to read a string of posts to figure out where people are coming from. If I told you I wasn't fiine with pollution would you still claim I was ok with pollution or are you intentionally screwing with me?

I amazed you or anyone could assume I had no problem with pollution by what I posted on this thread. That last post you just replied to, should've given you a clue.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 01:22 PM
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14. So are you angry because I'm calling you on your BS or
Edited on Fri Jun-11-10 01:36 PM by Javaman
are you angry because you can not record your thoughts clearly and succinctly thus conveying you position?

You leave one line responses with very little background to your feelings and you get mad at me, because your responses leave a lot to be interpreted.

Wow, yet again.

You wrote: "we will need gas for a long time until infrastructure starts to change more"

and nothing more. Leading one to believe that you are okay with it.

I responded: "So then polluting the ground water is just fine with you?"

Because you didn't make clear that you felt otherwise.

Then you responded: "geez man... I didn't even say that or try to imply that I did
I was just stating an unfortunate fact."

Which I also lead me to believe that you were still okay with this, although being "unfortunate".

Which I replied: "well, if you had included that in your post, I wouldn't have thought that.
but again, you are okay with polluting water, because it's an unfortunate side effect?"

Trying again to see you if you would make yourself clear? But alas, you didn't. You came across it the fracking is a necessary evil, thus unfortunate.

Then you went from zero to crazy when you still didn't clarify.

So go right ahead and blame me if you want, if that makes you feel better.

:shrug:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 04:34 PM
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15. still trying pick a fight by accusing me of something I didn't do
get a life buddy... and take your own BS and learn to swallow your pride, whatever you have left of it.

Your attempt to paint me as someone who doesn't mind pollution by what I have typesd is fucking dumb, unwarranted, useless and unproductive. Also a bit insulting since I am opposed to what you accused me of.. you deserve that last email, and I promise this will be THE LAST email I share with you.

Did ya think you'd clean up the spill by accusing me of stating something I never did? It seemed very important for you to accuse me of what you did... very weird and a bit transparent I might add.

Do yourself a favor and grow up, be honest and attack those who are really for polluting the environment not those of us who are trying to change the situation. Next time, ASK people where they stand before misconstruing their posts.

ta ta
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:32 AM
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21. Riiiight....
I'm not picking on you or do you have a persecution complex?

I was just asking you to clarify and it appears you had a had time with someone confronting you on it.

whine much? LOL

I give you your own words and you can't even own up to them.

Next time write out complete thoughts and no one will call you on it.

life is amazing, especially when you get one. Try it sometime. :)

Tootles!
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 07:34 PM
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23. that is not the issue
Anything could be justified by the logic you are using, anything. You are either profoundly ignorant about this topic, or are intentionally trying to mislead people.

"The infrastructure"..."has to change"..."more?" What infrastructure? Change how? More than what?
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 12:03 PM
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11. Don't know what those drillers are doing
But we have three wells and a gas storage facility within two miles of our house and it's been only a minor inconvenience.
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 12:06 PM
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12. Some very informative links (though the 1st one is time consuming but worth it).
I know that some people are getting tired of my links to the Marcellus Shale and the health and ecological consequences of "Fracking" fluids.
However, I am determined to try to get this out to as many people as possible. Hickory, PA. is one of the hardest hit towns by the practice of Fracking. If you only look at one of these links, please look at the first link. It will take a long time to go through the entire site, but it can be perused in intervals. It's an ongoing disaster despite what some people would try to have you believe.

http://www.donnan.com/Marcellus-Gas_Hickory.htm

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/team4/22789965/detail.html

http://gasdrillingawarenesscoalition.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/contributions-from-drilling-companies-to-campaigns/

http://solveclimate.com/blog/20090929/fracking-accidents-prompt-calls-oversight

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/valleynewsdispatch/s_684470.html

Excerpt from http://www.greenchange.org/article.php?id=5911

For a long time, shale gas was thought to be unattainable. But in the 1990s, first in Texas and later in other Western states, new drilling techniques, sophisticated technology and industry exemptions from environmental laws paved the way for economically viable fracking. Many of those exemptions—from provisions in the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, the Superfund Act and the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act—are longstanding. The most notable among them was introduced by Vice President Dick Cheney as an amendment to the 2005 energy bill. The so-called Halliburton Loophole, named after Cheney's former employer and the company that pioneered the fracking process in the 1940s, stripped the EPA's authority to regulate hydrofracking through the Safe Water Drinking Act. Companies were essentially given free rein to drill however and wherever they see fit, and to use and dispose of proprietary fracking fluids without any disclosure or safety requirements. The only remaining shred of federal oversight was a voluntary agreement with the three largest companies not to use diesel fuel—which they proceeded to ignore.


I'm sorry for constantly ranting on about this subject, but I am sick and tired of seeing this part of the country ruined in the name of "DICK" Cheney
and Halliburton.

Thanks for your time.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 05:17 PM
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16. much thanks!
bookmarking
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 07:13 PM
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17. Thank you for giving me another chance to air my concerns.
The worst thing is that a lot of these wells are being drilled in areas where the drinking water and waterways are finally starting to recover from all the years of strip mines and deep mines.

There are still towns that have to have water hauled in by a "water buffalo" due to the contamination of the local water supply. The wells have only added to the need.



Well, actually, there are a lot of worst things about these wells.

They're pushing them as an easy way for landowners to make a lot of money without having to do anything. Around here, that plays pretty well.
Of course, by the time the truth comes out, it's already too late.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 11:59 PM
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18. have you seen Gasland?
I haven't yet,

http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/

Gasland
Winner of The Special Jury Prize for Documentary at 2010 Sundance Film Festival
Get on the bus!

Last week, EOG Resources (formerly a part of Enron) lost control of a Marcellus Shale gas well near the Moshannon State Forest in Clearfield County, Pennsylvania. Natural gas mixed with toxic frack water spewed 75 feet into the air for 16 hours before being brought under control.

Sunday night, a deep shale drilling operation owned by Chief Oil and Gas, which is also active in Pennsylvania, exploded in rural West Virginia. Flames shot at least 50 feet into the sky, burning seven workers.

Drilling in PA’s Marcellus Shale has brought us contaminated drinking water, toxic chemical spills, hazardous levels of Total Dissolved Solids in streams and rivers, crumbling roads and bridges, and increased crime rates.

The Responsible Drilling Alliance (RDA) is working with other organizations to strengthen existing legislation and regulations governing gas industry operations. RDA also supports development of new, stronger laws and regs that will better protect PA’s economic interests, public health and safety and the environment.

Gas industry lobbyists are spending over one million dollars a year to influence our legislators. Will you spend 5 dollars to let your voice be heard?

RDA is teaming up with Clean Water Action to hold a lobby day in Harrisburg on Tuesday, June 22nd. We will charter a bus and depart from Williamsport at 8 AM, meet with legislators in Harrisburg according to a schedule worked out by Clean Water Action, and return by 5 PM same day. The cost for a seat on the bus is just $5.00. The value of the time you will invest in PA’s future is priceless.

We need your help! If you can join us for this event, please reply by email to responsibledrillingalliance@gmail.com. Kindly note “BUS TRIP” on the reference line, and give us your name and phone number in the body of the message. We will be in touch regarding details of the trip and the events planned.
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:53 AM
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19. No, I haven't. I think that I saw an interview with the person responsible for the film.
If it's the one that I'm thinking of, he was interviewed on either Now or Bill Moyer.

I might look into the trip to Harrisburg if it works out.

Thank you for the info. and the links. The latest "accident" in the Moshannon region was only one county away from here. They're (the wells) popping up like dandelions around here.

Flammable water.... do we really want to know what's next?
I keep hearing this song over and over.

Major League soundtrack lyrics -- Burn On .. Randy Newman

There's a red moon rising
On the Cuyahoga River
Rolling into Cleveland to the lake

There's a red moon rising
ON the Cuyahoga River
Rolling into Cleveland to the lake

There's an oil barge winding
Down the Cuyahoga River
Rolling into Cleveland to the lake

There's an oil barge winding
Down the Cuyahoga River
Rolling into Cleveland to the lake

Cleveland, city of light, city of magic
Cleveland, city of light, you're calling me
Cleveland, even now I can remember
'Cause the Cuyahoga River
Goes smokin' through my dreams

Burn on, big river, burn on
Burn on, big river, burn on
Now the Lord can make you tumble
And the Lord can make you turn
And the Lord can make you overflow
But the Lord can't make you burn

Burn on, big river, burn on
Burn on, big river, burn on


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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 05:06 PM
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22. Time to kick this back up for more visibility. People need to know what's being done. nt
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 07:37 PM
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24. don't get discouraged
This is a very big story and to say that it will not go away is a serious understatement. Thanks for your work on it.

People don't quite grasp what this is about yet. We need to keep plugging away on it until they do.


Kick.
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