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dem mba (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 02:39 AM Original message |
How should we rate our teachers? |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 02:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. the entire thing is just fucked |
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dem mba (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 02:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I was thinking that since measuring teachers success |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 02:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. WHY is it "inevitable" |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 03:05 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Yeah, but we all are evaluated at work, why should teachers be any different? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 04:37 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. teachers *are* evaluated at work, & always have been. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 09:06 AM Response to Reply #11 |
24. The current system is ineffective and inappropriate for professionals |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 07:37 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. We aren't different. We ARE evaluated. Where do these... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #16 |
27. These "misconceptions" are promulgated at right wing think tanks. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. CATO!!? You can't possibly mean *Mr. Koch's* Cato. nt |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #5 |
23. Most professional gets reviewed and rewarded for performance, teaching should be no different |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
28. actually, whether you llike it or not - "the people" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 04:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. teachers have always been evaluated. the question is why teachers' evaluations |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 07:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. ! |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
54. I CAN'T TAKE IT I TELL YOU CITY OF LIGHTS |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
3. Peer review would probably be the best way to evaluate teachers. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 04:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. that's what we do at college, and it seems to work since students come here from all over the world |
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Bluesbreaker (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 02:47 AM Response to Original message |
4. parents, principals and school districts must take responsibility too |
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dem mba (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 09:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
32. yes |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 02:57 AM Response to Original message |
6. Are doctors, lawyers, politicians, bankers, private Health Insurance |
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trayfoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 08:07 AM Response to Reply #6 |
19. Thank you, Sabrina! You said it! |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 08:33 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. Are doctors rated? Yes. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #21 |
37. It's not just unfair, it is stupid because of the premise on which |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Again, show how there is no statistical correlation between a high rated teacher and |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Testing is not a method of teaching. It is clear from your post |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 09:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
25. Yes they are unless they are self employed |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
43. Actually Police Officers ARE evaluated at all times |
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Daphne08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
58. I am amazed that teachers haven't already |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
7. By height |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 06:17 AM Response to Original message |
12. yes I have some thoughts - how about leaving it in the hands of the educators |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #12 |
26. The current educator based system is not working particularly well in the eyes of many |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #26 |
36. could it be that our politicians are also having an influence - such |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 09:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
30. well that's what has been done and many would venture to say |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. so . . . Jeb mucking around with his testing-focus in Florida is not exactly leaving |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. well - if FL were the only state with problems - |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. well it is good to know that the legislatures of other states are providing the needed funding |
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dem mba (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
33. the wealthiest nation in the world does not have the best educational |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
59. If the public thinks it's not working, then perhaps additional oversight is required? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. but never before this level of decision-making based on tests |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I agree that testing should never be the only factor in determining *anything* |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
13. My sister asked for a district exception for her kids based on the published school test scores. |
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Daphne08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
14. We were always evaluated by our Principals and |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
53. SHEESH, DAPHNE |
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Daphne08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Yes, I know. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
15. You presume a static environment |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
17. Here's the hole: |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
20. Flaw: Top students would make little "gains". (How would you rate Phys Ed staff, BTW?) |
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dem mba (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
40. i think it would be understood that |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
22. What the students and parents think of them should be a part of it. |
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Dyedinthewoolliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
29. My father taught school. |
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dem mba (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. i'm not a fan of using teachers as babysitters |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
34. Progress monitoring is the current method and the one advocated |
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dem mba (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. thanks for the response |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Yep its what C. Wright Mills called the bureaucratic ethos |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
38. After we fund them for a few years, and can see them actually teach. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
46. How about if we leave that to principals? |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
47. Better question "how do we rate parents" |
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Daphne08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. You are so right! n/t |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
49. All the teachers at my kids' school are fantastic. A++++. AND.... |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. True - but disadvantaged kids can excel as well. |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
51. 'Why No Child Left Behind Is Nuts''.....By Steve Sailer |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. ''Can Irrational Become Unconstitutional? NCLB's 100% Presuppositions '' |
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uncommon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-10 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
57. I actually agree that teacher's should be judged at least in part by results -- |
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