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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:16 AM Original message |
The Gruesome Truth Is American Elections CAN & ARE BE RIGGED |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
1. And should anyone suggest it is a fraud they will be accused of |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yes. This is the Catch-22 - and it's hard to get enough movement against it for that reason nt |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Those who don't agree this is true are Willfully Ignorant at best. |
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Greybnk48 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I was immediately "scolded" by two co-workers |
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joeunderdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. If you believe that transmitted credit card info can be stolen... |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. and I think elections are stolen more frequently.... |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Yes, and |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. yep. I rememeber that night in the exact same way. |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:30 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Yes: Kerry was up 3%, and when I woke, Bush was up 3%; AND |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
66. And then they decided to deep-six all exit polling, because |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:04 AM Response to Reply #66 |
74. +1 -- |
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
61. Spot-on |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
3. It's all in the programming of the computers. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Yep... bears repeating |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. There are no impartial observers, and people are no more trustworthy than machines |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:34 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. But worth noting: it's a lot harder to rig elections w/o electronics. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:21 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Not really. Paper ballot elections have been stolen since elections were invented |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Lever machines did stop the worst abuses. |
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savannah43 (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
71. Go here re Diebold:: |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
5. Elections certainly CAN be rigged. Whether or not they actually ARE is tougher to prove. |
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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. thanks Wilms |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. well |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
48. Fuss about all you want over unverifiable exit polls. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. Among us? |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. I could care less what Rove thinks. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:02 AM Response to Reply #5 |
38. Right. They are not. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
7. We NEED paper ballots, marked by hand, and counted in public on a national voting holiday that |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Are you absolutely insane? |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I'm glad we agree about this! |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. You never want to give people proof of how they voted. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Social Security numbers and account numbers are generally very safe |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. The post I replied to suggested duplicate ballots. n/t |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. You better panic then, because the blue States of Oregon and |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Oh, Oregon and Washington do it, and we have absentee ballots, |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #24 |
50. Agreed. Absentee isn't so great. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Because no paper-based voting system has ever been rigged |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
42. YES. Other countries do it; we can, too. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:05 AM Response to Reply #7 |
75. +1000% -- |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
11. R'd |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
14. I read somewhere that it's easier to rig a voting machine than a Vegas slot machine. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
17. k&r! nt |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
19. cognitive dissonance... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
20. I've never used a voting machine. |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:45 AM Response to Reply #20 |
51. YOU never used a "voting machine". |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
22. WHICH party does the rigging? |
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2banon (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
87. it appears to be the rethugs.. |
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joeunderdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
25. Is it me, or did this country take a BIG swing to Right |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:09 AM Response to Reply #25 |
76. Voting computers began to come in during late-1960's ... !!! |
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wiggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
27. Conyers was all over election integrity after 2004. Anyone ask him why he |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:11 AM Response to Reply #27 |
77. Ironic Dem Party is so disinterested in computer voting? |
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2banon (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
86. Interesting that, about Conyers, isn't it? n/t |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
28. state of the art voting machines? You mean paper ballots, counted publicly by 3 people, right? |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
29. K & R !!! |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
32. More from first article... |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
33. So TRUE!! And the Democrats RAN FAST AND FAR AWAY FROM any |
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livefreest (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
35. The grave of a democracy is a mass grave--there's room for all of us. |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
37. Americans are fools |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:13 AM Response to Reply #37 |
78. +1000% --- |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
39. Kick for being the main action to make change possible. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 05:06 AM Response to Original message |
44. A decade after 00 and this is still one of our most pressing issues. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
45. So when is the march on DC for our voting rights? |
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piggy2000 (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. We are becoming no better than a third world country when it comes to elections.. |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. Actually, many third world nations are better. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:14 AM Response to Reply #64 |
79. +1 -- |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
46. K & R! |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
49. The two-story outhouse -- perfect! -nt |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
53. Bradblog has been all over this for the past several years-- there clearly is massive fraud |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #53 |
84. Jonathan Simon has been hands on involved for years: |
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colsohlibgal (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
54. Absolutely |
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Aaria (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
55. Duh, How do you tink we got where we are. Elections are easy to steal. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:16 AM Response to Reply #55 |
80. Well, yes -- stolen elections over 50 years ... and |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
56. Being at DU has taught me that every election lost by a Democrat is an indication of voter fraud |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. That's crazy talk |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. In order to believe these silly vote fraud conspiracies, you would have to believe either |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. O |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Do I think elections are systemically stolen? No, I think that is nonsense. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Address your points? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Deleted message |
defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:18 AM Response to Reply #59 |
81. What about a Dem Party which harbored Koch Bros. DLC wing for decades ... |
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2banon (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #59 |
89. Election Rigging and Voter Fraud are Two Different Things.. |
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Brigid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
65. I thought everybody had known of this possibility since 2000. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:20 AM Response to Reply #65 |
82. 2000 should have been a huge wake-up ... but not for Democratic Party -- !!! |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
68. Its amazing what has happened in this country |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
69. What I find mind numbing, is that we need something |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
72. They are be rigged fo' sho' |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:01 AM Response to Original message |
73. Many think our stolen elections begin in 2000 -- yet voting computers came in during late-1960's ... |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
83. Not that anyone does anything about it, even when proven |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
85. I hate it when people-EVEN HERE-treat this as conspiracy theory |
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2banon (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. it's an attempt to sweep it under the rug.. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
88. ?? "CAN & ARE BE RIGGED" ?? |
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