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Thanks for the thoughtful response.
I agree with you that calling each other right wingers is bad, and I did not mean to do that. Are you not willing however, to consider the possibility that the feuding here is being driven by the right wing propagandists? I think a good case can be made for that. Whom does it benefit to see left wing points of view as destructive, or as a "circular firing squad?"
I am not casting an "aspersion" - a disparaging remark about you. I am suggesting a way out of the trap we are in. I am not attacking you, but rather asking all of us to look at this a little deeper.
I don't see anyone as the enemy here, and I am not saying anything different then I have always said for forty years.
I do think that some people, myself included, are dismissive of the idea that party loyalty trumps all. So what? That is not attacking the person, it is attacking an idea, and even then I have no problem with people seeing party loyalty as the most important thing. The problem arises when we are told that this is the on;ly way to look at things, and when failure to do so is seen as unacceptable.
I am resistant, and will always be resistant to being told that putting party loyalty first is the only proper way to be a member of the community. I am not trying to stop others from seeing I that way - I may try to persuade them. But being told that anything other than placing party loyalty first is not acceptable is something that I will always fight against. If that didn't happen, there would be no argument from me. Be loyal to the party, and admire various politicians to your heart's content and I won't interfere or try to drive you out of the community.
Would you be content with that? You take your approach, I will take mine and we will stop arguing about it? I would be. Is there room for both in your world? There is in mine.
I am emotionally neutral, and I neither think Obama has sold us out nor that he is the second coming. Yet I am a prime target, accused as much as anyone here is of "tearing down the president" and being driven by emotion, and on and on.
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| -In A Shift, Obama Doesn't Plan To Reopen NAFTA Talks |
Purveyor |
Apr-20-09 06:34 PM |
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"no plans to reopen negotiations on [NAFTA] . . . Obama vowed to do" that's CHANGE you can count on. |
jody |
Apr-20-09 06:42 PM |
#1 |
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Blame Canada! |
McCamy Taylor |
Apr-20-09 06:43 PM |
#2 |
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We'd LOVE to have NAFTA reopened |
Canuckistanian |
Apr-21-09 07:14 AM |
#133 |
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Color me surprised...Not. |
OhioChick |
Apr-20-09 06:47 PM |
#3 |
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yeah, like we couldn't see this coming |
Skittles |
Apr-20-09 07:06 PM |
#9 |
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But, but, Free Trade has been GOOD for our economy! |
ihavenobias |
Apr-20-09 07:29 PM |
#18 |
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Notice that those who oppose NAFTA actually have detailed reasons? |
Zhade |
Apr-20-09 08:16 PM |
#31 |
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UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE - OBAMA IS BACKING OFF OF EVERYTHING |
Roadcyclist |
Apr-20-09 10:15 PM |
#80 |
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I feel the same, except that every vote for Nader |
No Elephants |
Apr-21-09 03:38 AM |
#114 |
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Absolutely, if McCain/Palin had won they'ed have two pliable morons |
Grinchie |
Apr-21-09 12:59 PM |
#183 |
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Chill..... |
4_TN_TITANS |
Apr-21-09 08:16 AM |
#137 |
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Are you kidding? |
Roadcyclist |
Apr-21-09 09:32 AM |
#145 |
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He's picking the right battles -- but the wrong side. |
JDPriestly |
Apr-21-09 12:19 PM |
#173 |
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The first thing I'd do is run like hell from the DLC goons he hired as his team. |
Grinchie |
Apr-21-09 01:41 PM |
#189 |
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He still has that great smile, but that is about it. |
JDPriestly |
Apr-21-09 11:19 AM |
#168 |
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Not only are those numbers significant enough to consider - |
truedelphi |
Apr-21-09 02:00 AM |
#112 |
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Thats in chapter 11 of NAFTA. ( Tantamount to expropriation.) nt |
Snotcicles |
Apr-21-09 03:56 AM |
#116 |
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Thank you for that reference. |
truedelphi |
Apr-21-09 01:24 PM |
#187 |
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It's bad to bring back low paying jobs... |
WarhammerTwo |
Apr-21-09 11:11 AM |
#165 |
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He already is, and the Back Office Government is Business as usual |
Grinchie |
Apr-21-09 12:51 PM |
#182 |
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Su-prize, su-prize, su-prize! |
RufusTFirefly |
Apr-20-09 06:48 PM |
#4 |
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He's going to run into his shadow if he keeps running away this fast from his promises. |
Metta |
Apr-20-09 06:51 PM |
#5 |
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'they can be addressed without having to reopen the agreement' |
tomm2thumbs |
Apr-20-09 06:53 PM |
#6 |
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you have a lot of faith |
Skittles |
Apr-20-09 07:07 PM |
#11 |
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So, in which category do you put politicians? |
EFerrari |
Apr-20-09 07:08 PM |
#12 |
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Super double-secret invisible plan |
Rage for Order |
Apr-20-09 07:27 PM |
#16 |
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just my take on it |
tomm2thumbs |
Apr-20-09 07:31 PM |
#20 |
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No offense |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-21-09 09:39 AM |
#146 |
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non taken |
tomm2thumbs |
Apr-21-09 11:49 AM |
#170 |
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Do you still believe in the Tooth Fairy, too? |
Zhade |
Apr-20-09 08:17 PM |
#32 |
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yawn |
tomm2thumbs |
Apr-20-09 09:25 PM |
#66 |
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HE'S PLAYING CHESS |
Maven |
Apr-21-09 10:17 AM |
#153 |
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It just never gets better |
gizmo1979 |
Apr-20-09 06:58 PM |
#7 |
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Not with Republicans and center right corporate Dems |
depakid |
Apr-20-09 08:03 PM |
#29 |
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That's what I'm afraid of |
lbrtbell |
Apr-20-09 11:44 PM |
#92 |
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well if the Dems we voted in do NOT keep their promises - what difference are they from the pukes? |
Donnachaidh |
Apr-21-09 03:49 PM |
#194 |
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A Democrat's staying home has the same impact as a Democrat's voting |
No Elephants |
Apr-21-09 03:52 AM |
#115 |
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Well Obama's certainly not playing to his base. |
Lasher |
Apr-21-09 03:59 AM |
#117 |
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If you voted for Obama, you helped elect Obama. For you at this point,, that may be |
No Elephants |
Apr-21-09 04:12 AM |
#119 |
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Oh I forgot: rah rah at least he's not a Republican. |
Lasher |
Apr-21-09 04:27 AM |
#124 |
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Or for the overseas worker, the abuse of whom is why we lose jobs here. |
Zhade |
Apr-20-09 08:18 PM |
#33 |
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I wonder if Mexico's exporting more goods, or workers to us with NAFTA!!! |
cascadiance |
Apr-20-09 06:59 PM |
#8 |
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No plans because the whole treaty will soon be scrapped. |
wroberts189 |
Apr-20-09 07:07 PM |
#10 |
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It must be nice there. |
Jackpine Radical |
Apr-20-09 08:41 PM |
#50 |
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I'm surprised we were just strung along |
ardvark |
Apr-20-09 07:09 PM |
#13 |
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Some people see an aardvark as not quite an elephant, but not quite a mule, either. Are you |
No Elephants |
Apr-21-09 04:14 AM |
#120 |
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i am a donkey |
ardvark |
Apr-21-09 08:12 AM |
#136 |
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Hmm ... |
Laelth |
Apr-20-09 07:19 PM |
#14 |
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unfortunately... |
Two Americas |
Apr-20-09 07:52 PM |
#24 |
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I hear you, and I am equally puzzled by the "no dissent" mantra of some Obama supporters. |
Laelth |
Apr-20-09 08:19 PM |
#34 |
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Did you read the article? |
stillcool |
Apr-20-09 08:25 PM |
#40 |
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Yes, I read it. |
Laelth |
Apr-20-09 08:42 PM |
#51 |
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Is there a way to.. |
mvd |
Apr-20-09 08:47 PM |
#54 |
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Sure, that could be done. |
Laelth |
Apr-20-09 08:53 PM |
#56 |
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I have to agree |
mvd |
Apr-20-09 08:56 PM |
#58 |
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ah..signaling... |
stillcool |
Apr-20-09 09:36 PM |
#71 |
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Not on this subject. |
Laelth |
Apr-20-09 09:39 PM |
#73 |
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No..as far as I know this was the first.. |
stillcool |
Apr-20-09 09:44 PM |
#74 |
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no choice |
Two Americas |
Apr-20-09 10:18 PM |
#81 |
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I have the answer to that... |
ElboRuum |
Apr-21-09 12:31 PM |
#176 |
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I think the debate is important |
Two Americas |
Apr-21-09 12:43 PM |
#180 |
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I disagree. But of course you already knew that. |
ElboRuum |
Apr-21-09 04:48 PM |
#196 |
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thanks |
Two Americas |
Apr-21-09 05:57 PM |
#204 |
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Some perhaps... |
ElboRuum |
Apr-22-09 12:47 PM |
#220 |
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that is where the confusion is, in my opinion |
Two Americas |
Apr-22-09 05:15 PM |
#222 |
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Well, C'mon! |
polmaven |
Apr-21-09 10:28 AM |
#156 |
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I learned how to translate the .. |
stillcool |
Apr-21-09 12:34 PM |
#179 |
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Did you get the memo???????? |
flyarm |
Apr-21-09 12:17 AM |
#100 |
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Guess not. |
Laelth |
Apr-21-09 10:25 AM |
#155 |
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Yeah, that Dennis Kucinich sure is a corporate whore. |
Zhade |
Apr-20-09 08:20 PM |
#35 |
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yes |
Two Americas |
Apr-20-09 08:30 PM |
#42 |
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You don't have to convince me, I'm fucking DONE with politicians. |
Zhade |
Apr-20-09 08:35 PM |
#46 |
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you should be able to say that |
Two Americas |
Apr-20-09 10:24 PM |
#82 |
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Yes, they can. But maybe they cannot BOTH be better than this AND get elected |
No Elephants |
Apr-21-09 04:30 AM |
#125 |
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if that is true |
Two Americas |
Apr-21-09 06:20 PM |
#206 |
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Are you referring to the article |
stillcool |
Apr-20-09 08:27 PM |
#41 |
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Great post!! |
OwnedByFerrets |
Apr-20-09 09:24 PM |
#65 |
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what he said. well put. |
bbgrunt |
Apr-20-09 11:19 PM |
#86 |
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There's a huge difference between criticizing Obama and not voting for Obama. And, btw, I am |
No Elephants |
Apr-21-09 04:05 AM |
#118 |
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sorry I don't agree |
Two Americas |
Apr-21-09 10:44 AM |
#157 |
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Unfortunately, since Perot ran, the Republicans and Democrats joined forces to |
No Elephants |
Apr-21-09 04:34 AM |
#126 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Apr-20-09 07:21 PM |
#15 |
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Of course not. |
HeresyLives |
Apr-20-09 07:28 PM |
#17 |
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Gee, what a surprise, he's breaking ANOTHER of his promises. |
Zhade |
Apr-20-09 07:30 PM |
#19 |
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What promise has 'he' broken? |
stillcool |
Apr-20-09 08:12 PM |
#30 |
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Discontinuing the occupation of Iraq for starters |
nolabels |
Apr-20-09 11:53 PM |
#93 |
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What did he say during the primaries...18 months? |
stillcool |
Apr-21-09 12:21 AM |
#101 |
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What bothers me is people believe every P.R. BS the establishment puts out |
nolabels |
Apr-21-09 08:34 AM |
#139 |
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We will never leave Iraq... |
stillcool |
Apr-21-09 09:49 AM |
#148 |
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Reuters (February, 09): "Obama wants to re-open NAFTA" |
jewishlibrl |
Apr-21-09 12:12 AM |
#98 |
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What did you 'hear' different today... |
stillcool |
Apr-21-09 12:26 AM |
#103 |
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I guess a headline in the New York Times.. |
stillcool |
Apr-20-09 07:34 PM |
#21 |
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The issue was "modifying NAFTA"...the article above seems to say |
KoKo |
Apr-20-09 07:52 PM |
#25 |
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Apparently it doesn't matter. |
stillcool |
Apr-20-09 08:03 PM |
#28 |
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Two things: First, the |
No Elephants |
Apr-21-09 04:24 AM |
#122 |
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how dare you interrupt this PUMA circle jerk with reason? |
dionysus |
Apr-21-09 10:59 AM |
#163 |
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Apparently... |
ElboRuum |
Apr-21-09 12:46 PM |
#181 |
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It's like feeding time.. |
stillcool |
Apr-21-09 01:27 PM |
#188 |
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BOO! BOO! BOO! eom. |
Hotler |
Apr-20-09 07:37 PM |
#22 |
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President Obama has been introduced to world politics and its survival |
ShareTheWoods |
Apr-20-09 07:46 PM |
#23 |
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And, in your parable, who are the great-thinking lions when it comes to these treaties? |
No Elephants |
Apr-21-09 05:17 AM |
#127 |
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If it quacks like a duck? |
Generator |
Apr-20-09 07:54 PM |
#26 |
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Say it ain;t so BO. Man, not a good week. C'mon Obama, be a Progressive, not Regressive. |
EndElectoral |
Apr-20-09 08:00 PM |
#27 |
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Obama Administration = Third term of the Clinton Administration. Buyers remorse setting in. |
Postman |
Apr-20-09 08:20 PM |
#36 |
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only to those who don't read.... |
stillcool |
Apr-20-09 08:40 PM |
#49 |
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But some of us can read between the lines... |
Baby Snooks |
Apr-20-09 11:20 PM |
#87 |
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I tend to read the words ... |
stillcool |
Apr-21-09 12:09 AM |
#97 |
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And some people parse too closely to get the "truth" they want |
Maven |
Apr-21-09 10:21 AM |
#154 |
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you mean reading the words.. |
stillcool |
Apr-21-09 12:28 PM |
#175 |
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No, I mean selectively focusing on certain qualifiers and ignoring the overall message. |
Maven |
Apr-21-09 01:15 PM |
#185 |
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What overall message from the New York Times... |
stillcool |
Apr-21-09 01:20 PM |
#186 |
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Big time. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-09 10:25 PM |
#83 |
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Obama has been strenously disappointing - he had such momentum |
debbierlus |
Apr-20-09 08:20 PM |
#37 |
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oh please... |
stillcool |
Apr-20-09 08:22 PM |
#38 |
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Reinvent myself? I donated to his campaign & I joined in the joyfest for a VERY short time |
debbierlus |
Apr-20-09 08:33 PM |
#45 |
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the 'joy-fest'? |
stillcool |
Apr-20-09 08:38 PM |
#47 |
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You're SO right, stillcool. It's just not that simple nor just |
Fire1 |
Apr-20-09 09:50 PM |
#77 |
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The "hope" was hype |
meowomon |
Apr-20-09 11:35 PM |
#91 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-21-09 10:53 AM |
#159 |
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Good |
RB TexLa |
Apr-20-09 08:24 PM |
#39 |
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Why change NAFTA? |
bvar22 |
Apr-20-09 08:30 PM |
#43 |
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This should surprise nobody.nt |
Marie26 |
Apr-20-09 08:31 PM |
#44 |
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And next, instead of card check...right to work! n/t |
24601 |
Apr-20-09 08:40 PM |
#48 |
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Honestly people! Obama is doing the wrong thing now so he can do the right thing later! |
joeybee12 |
Apr-20-09 08:43 PM |
#52 |
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LOL! |
yardwork |
Apr-20-09 09:50 PM |
#76 |
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AND HE'S DONE IT ALL IN NINETY DAYS!! |
Skittles |
Apr-21-09 04:24 AM |
#123 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-20-09 08:47 PM |
#53 |
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Well, it IS, but we sure got suckered anyway. |
Zhade |
Apr-20-09 08:59 PM |
#59 |
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Have we been had or WTF? |
lonestarnot |
Apr-20-09 08:48 PM |
#55 |
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is.... |
unkachuck |
Apr-20-09 08:55 PM |
#57 |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Apr-20-09 08:59 PM |
#60 |
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each day I feel the new boss is same as the old boss. |
Gin |
Apr-20-09 09:01 PM |
#61 |
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Austan Goolsbee is a vampire. That is all. nt |
Romulox |
Apr-20-09 09:08 PM |
#62 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Apr-20-09 09:11 PM |
#63 |
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This thing just keeps getting better and fucking better. |
OwnedByFerrets |
Apr-20-09 09:22 PM |
#64 |
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NAFTA is a treaty and if Mexico doesn't want to re-negotiate it |
caseymoz |
Apr-20-09 09:25 PM |
#67 |
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NAFTA is NOT a treaty in the US Constitutional sense--it was not passed by 2/3 of the Senate. nt |
Romulox |
Apr-20-09 09:30 PM |
#68 |
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Wow! You have a point. I forgot about that fast-track |
caseymoz |
Apr-21-09 01:18 AM |
#107 |
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Can't the Senate and the President agree to revoke America's participation |
No Elephants |
Apr-21-09 05:35 AM |
#128 |
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Since it's not a real treaty, just an legal agreement, it's not as difficult. |
pampango |
Apr-21-09 10:01 AM |
#152 |
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Who believed otherwise? |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Apr-20-09 09:31 PM |
#69 |
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President Obama: One disappointment after another |
katandmoon |
Apr-20-09 09:34 PM |
#70 |
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Yes, it's quite sad. He had a lot of potential but he's throwing it away. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-09 10:27 PM |
#84 |
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No, Bush was one disappointment after another. |
caseymoz |
Apr-21-09 01:24 AM |
#109 |
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SOLD OUT AGAIN |
FreakinDJ |
Apr-20-09 09:39 PM |
#72 |
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It's all about the money, honey... |
Baby Snooks |
Apr-20-09 11:31 PM |
#89 |
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Because we would rather have Jindal or Mittens or Palin or Cantor? |
No Elephants |
Apr-21-09 05:38 AM |
#129 |
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*sigh* |
Celeborn Skywalker |
Apr-20-09 09:45 PM |
#75 |
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In the immortal words of LBJ... |
razors edge |
Apr-20-09 10:07 PM |
#78 |
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This is very bad. He's sucking bad on economic issues. Worse and worse. (nt) |
w4rma |
Apr-20-09 10:15 PM |
#79 |
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There's "free trade" and then there's "fair trade"... |
MrMickeysMom |
Apr-20-09 10:30 PM |
#85 |
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I don't know which I love more... the bait or the switch. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-20-09 11:25 PM |
#88 |
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Seems like more effort was put in to the bait, the switch.... not so much. |
harun |
Apr-21-09 12:32 PM |
#177 |
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Deleted message |
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Apr-20-09 11:34 PM |
#90 |
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spoken like a true freepre... |
dionysus |
Apr-21-09 10:55 AM |
#160 |
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that's not a very nice thing to say... makes me think you don't like the guy |
dionysus |
Apr-21-09 01:47 PM |
#190 |
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Except it's not a shift. I remember his top aides being busted telling Canada |
960 |
Apr-20-09 11:55 PM |
#94 |
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That incident was known as "NAFTA-Gate" |
jewishlibrl |
Apr-21-09 12:24 AM |
#102 |
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Obama denied it |
rollingrock |
Apr-21-09 12:30 AM |
#104 |
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Bad news . .. unless Obama simply plans to overturn these trade agreements? |
defendandprotect |
Apr-20-09 11:56 PM |
#95 |
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How many campaign promises can you break in the least amount of time? |
rollingrock |
Apr-20-09 11:56 PM |
#96 |
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Oh MY...who would have thought??????? |
flyarm |
Apr-21-09 12:13 AM |
#99 |
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He wrongly thinks the powerbrokers got him elected when in the end, they will crush him like Clinton |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-21-09 01:00 AM |
#105 |
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Clinton was crushed? He was a two term President and is now worth well over $100 million. Hordes |
No Elephants |
Apr-21-09 05:45 AM |
#130 |
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Point taken. |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-21-09 12:27 PM |
#174 |
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C'mon, he's only been in 90 days or so. Give him at least 10 more days |
BigBearJohn |
Apr-21-09 01:10 AM |
#106 |
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As I recall this was a big issue with the Clinton haters, green & otherwise, |
The_Casual_Observer |
Apr-21-09 01:22 AM |
#108 |
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In the Democratic party, but still pissed as hell. n/t |
amandabeech |
Apr-21-09 03:16 AM |
#113 |
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Fiercely anti-Clinton ("hater" is your word, not mine), right here, and critical of this and other |
bread_and_roses |
Apr-21-09 05:46 AM |
#131 |
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Sigh. And ONCE AGAIN...... |
TheWatcher |
Apr-21-09 01:38 AM |
#110 |
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And FURTHERMORE..... |
TheWatcher |
Apr-21-09 01:40 AM |
#111 |
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Ohio will be very pissed about this. |
Joanne98 |
Apr-21-09 04:20 AM |
#121 |
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Oh.....Ohio sure is pissed. |
OhioChick |
Apr-21-09 07:40 AM |
#134 |
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When will Labor quit kissing the ass of democrats? |
Citizen Worker |
Apr-21-09 06:48 AM |
#132 |
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the funny thing is |
ardvark |
Apr-21-09 09:57 AM |
#151 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-21-09 08:01 AM |
#135 |
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maybe you should truck on over to free republic with that stuff... |
dionysus |
Apr-21-09 10:45 AM |
#158 |
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Drip, drip, drip |
democrank |
Apr-21-09 08:21 AM |
#138 |
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gee what a surprise |
Torn_Scorned_Ignored |
Apr-21-09 08:49 AM |
#140 |
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corporate interests first, Americans last... oh and Americans pay the bill |
fascisthunter |
Apr-21-09 09:11 AM |
#141 |
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Coming Soon to a Crumbling Republic Near You - Bill Clinton Take 2! |
paparush |
Apr-21-09 09:15 AM |
#142 |
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Don't you Just Love the Non-Choices Presented by our Bipartisan System? |
Moochy |
Apr-21-09 09:20 AM |
#143 |
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well, at least AIG got another 30 Billion yesterday, that should count for something |
ardvark |
Apr-21-09 09:54 AM |
#149 |
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Still waiting for AIG's "viable business plan" deadline. Anyone? |
Romulox |
Apr-21-09 11:16 AM |
#167 |
| -
Figures..... |
BlueJac |
Apr-21-09 09:28 AM |
#144 |
| -
How hopeful and changealicious! n/t |
QC |
Apr-21-09 09:43 AM |
#147 |
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It's Obama that turned out to be George Bush Light. |
pam4water |
Apr-21-09 09:55 AM |
#150 |
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If you can't see major differences between Obama and Bush, I feel sorry for you |
karynnj |
Apr-21-09 11:09 AM |
#164 |
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This thread is about TRADE. On the issue of TRADE, there is virtually no difference between the two |
Romulox |
Apr-21-09 11:15 AM |
#166 |
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The post though did not say that it was limited to Trade |
karynnj |
Apr-21-09 11:35 AM |
#169 |
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Reality sets in, not change. |
MasonJar |
Apr-21-09 10:55 AM |
#161 |
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No surprises here. n/t |
blindpig |
Apr-21-09 10:58 AM |
#162 |
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I guess we can all shine shoes and wait on the wealthy |
Mari333 |
Apr-21-09 11:54 AM |
#171 |
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He's determined to be a one-termer & then leave us stuck with |
Justyce |
Apr-21-09 11:57 AM |
#172 |
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Yes. I'm sure that's it... |
ElboRuum |
Apr-21-09 12:33 PM |
#178 |
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Guess I should've put a sarcasm tag for the sarcasm impaired... |
Justyce |
Apr-21-09 01:12 PM |
#184 |
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No, I got the sarcasm... |
ElboRuum |
Apr-21-09 04:53 PM |
#198 |
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He's pissing a lot of voters off. Think bigger than just DU. nt |
Justyce |
Apr-22-09 09:36 AM |
#215 |
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I think you overestimate the political engagement of your average American |
ElboRuum |
Apr-22-09 12:49 PM |
#221 |
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Key statement the perpetually perturbed appear to overlook ... |
mzmolly |
Apr-21-09 03:32 PM |
#191 |
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Not fair you read more |
SpartanDem |
Apr-21-09 03:39 PM |
#192 |
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. |
mzmolly |
Apr-21-09 03:45 PM |
#193 |
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They can be "addressed", but they can't be CHANGED. |
Zhade |
Apr-21-09 03:52 PM |
#195 |
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NAFTA called for such protections |
mzmolly |
Apr-21-09 08:04 PM |
#210 |
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Exactly, they are currently side agreements which can be incorporated into the full.... |
Spazito |
Apr-21-09 04:53 PM |
#197 |
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That statement contradicts the OP; the Agreement can't be changed unless it is re-negotiated. nt |
Romulox |
Apr-21-09 05:44 PM |
#202 |
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The side agreements ARE part of the totality of NAFTA... |
Spazito |
Apr-21-09 06:07 PM |
#205 |
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By definition and your admission they are not. |
Romulox |
Apr-21-09 06:22 PM |
#207 |
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It seems you did not read the info I edited into my post... |
Spazito |
Apr-21-09 06:34 PM |
#208 |
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Right. That's because time is linear in nature. |
Romulox |
Apr-22-09 07:52 AM |
#214 |
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Good to have this clarification |
mzmolly |
Apr-21-09 08:14 PM |
#212 |
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This is a point on which a little history will help. Google "NAFTA side agreements". nt |
Romulox |
Apr-21-09 05:43 PM |
#201 |
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Consider it googled. |
mzmolly |
Apr-21-09 08:11 PM |
#211 |
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It may be a thoughtful approach, but it contradicts his campaign pledge nonetheless! |
Romulox |
Apr-22-09 07:50 AM |
#213 |
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Obama has said he wishes to add the environmental and labor protections |
mzmolly |
Apr-22-09 11:59 AM |
#217 |
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Which is logically impossible without renogitiating the "treaty". |
Romulox |
Apr-22-09 12:03 PM |
#218 |
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I guess we'll find out. It would appear that people are having a debate |
mzmolly |
Apr-22-09 12:40 PM |
#219 |
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This is his first "official" broken promise; albeit a bad one |
oviedodem |
Apr-21-09 05:37 PM |
#199 |
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Labor gets fucked yet again, this is getting better by the day. |
DainBramaged |
Apr-21-09 05:43 PM |
#200 |
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As they say in the mummy... |
PatrynXX |
Apr-21-09 05:56 PM |
#203 |
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I guess by "change" he meant he would completely change his mind |
leftofthedial |
Apr-21-09 06:47 PM |
#209 |
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Sometimes it does seem that way, doesn't it? |
truedelphi |
Apr-22-09 11:09 PM |
#223 |
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A picture is worth a thousand words...... |
Bushknew |
Apr-22-09 09:45 AM |
#216 |
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Well, that should certainly help replace those 4 1/2 million lost jobs. |
Old Hob |
Apr-23-09 01:03 AM |
#224 |
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