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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 08:34 AM
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13. Effective terror groups depend on a few skilled individuals
Leaders, planners, bomb makers, financial experts, logisticians, computer experts, etc. Experienced terrorists with those skills are very rare - eliminate them and it doesn't matter how many angry young men there are, the ability of the group as a whole to conduct effective and sophisticated terror attacks diminishes exponentially. You are left with inexperienced people that make mistakes and are easier to catch - it is like playing the freshman team instead of the varsity. It also means the terror group is constantly reorganizing, which also reduces it effectiveness.

This was the lesson learned by the Israelis - they went after the skill people and attacks in Israel fell to nothing. America applied the same lessons in Iraq and again the attacks fell to nearly nothing. The only difference here is that the terrorist are hiding in Pakistan because they know they will die anywhere else - so drones are the only way to kill them.

I think it is a very effective way to counter terrorism. And don't forget one thing - Islamic terrorist bombs have killed a hell of a lot more of their fellow Muslims than our drones - look at the actions of al Queda in Irag as a good example.

In 2005, AQI largely focused on executing high-profile and coordinated suicide attacks, claiming responsibility for numerous attacks which were primarily aimed at Iraqi civilians. The group launched attacks against voters during the Iraqi legislative election in January, a combined suicide and conventional attack on the Abu Ghraib prison in April, and the coordinated suicide attacks outside the Sheraton Ishtar and Palestine Hotel in Baghdad in October.<20> In July, al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for the kidnapping and execution of Ihab Al-Sherif, Egypt's envoy to Iraq.<36><37> A July 2005 three-day series of suicide attacks, including the Musayyib marketplace bombing, left at least 150 people dead.<38> Al-Zarqawi claimed responsibility for the September single-day series of more than a dozen bombings in Baghdad, including a September 14 bomb attack, which killed about 160 people (mostly unemployed Shi'ite workers).<39> They claimed responsibility for series of mosque bombings which killed at least 74 people the same month in Khanaqin.<40>

The attacks blamed on or claimed by al-Qaeda in Iraq continued to increase in 2006 (see also the list of major insurgent attacks in Iraq).<23> In one of the incidents, two U.S. soldiers (Thomas Lowell Tucker and Kristian Menchaca) were captured, tortured and beheaded by the ISI; in another, four Russian embassy officials were abducted and subsequently executed. Iraq's al-Qaeda and its umbrella groups were blamed for multiple attacks targeting the country's Shia Muslim population, some of which AQI claimed responsibility for. The U.S. claimed the group was at least one of the forces behind the wave of chlorine bombings in Iraq which affected hundreds of people (albeit with few fatalities) through the series of crude chemical warfare attacks between late 2006 and mid-2007.<41> During 2006, several key members of the AQI were killed or captured by American and allied forces; this included al-Zarqawi himself, killed on June 7, 2006, his spiritual adviser Sheik Abd-Al-Rahman, and the alleged "number two" deputy leader, Hamid Juma Faris Jouri al-Saeedi. The group's leadership was then assumed by the man called Abu Hamza al-Muhajir,<42> who was really the Egyptian militant Abu Ayyub al-Masri.<43>

The high-profile attacks linked to the group continued through early 2007, as the AQI-led Islamic State claimed responsibility for attacks such as the March assassination attempt on Sunni Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq Salam al-Zaubai, the April Iraqi Parliament bombing, and the May capture and subsequent execution of three American soldiers. Also in May, ISI leader al-Baghdadi was declared to have been killed in Baghdad, but his death was later denied by the insurgents (later, al-Baghdadi was even declared by the U.S. to be non-existent). There were conflicting reports regarding the fate of al-Masri. From March to August, coalition forces fought the Battle of Baqubah as part of the largely successful attempts to wrest the Diyala Governorate from AQI-aligned forces. Through 2007, the majority of the suicide bombings targeting civilians in Iraq were routinely identified by the military and government sources as being the responsibility of al-Qaeda and its associated groups, even when there was no claim of responsibility (as was in the case of the 2007 Yazidi communities bombings, which killed some 800 people in the deadliest terrorist attack in Iraq to date).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_Iraq

If the people have a grievance, it is against al Queda and other such groups for showing such a willingness to kill them on such a large scale.
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  -Drone Strike Said to Kill at Least 8 in PakistanBy PIR ZUBAIR SHAH Judi Lynn  May-06-11 10:11 PM   #0 
  - both bin laden and the CIA kill people using flying weapons nt  msongs   May-06-11 10:15 PM   #1 
  - Killed 8 "suspected" militants.... but what if...  lib2DaBone   May-06-11 11:10 PM   #2 
  - There will be more drone strikes in the coming months  cosmicone   May-07-11 01:57 AM   #3 
  - Lovely sentiment, that  ixion   May-07-11 06:01 AM   #11 
     - Did I say I wished for them or supported them? n/t  cosmicone   May-07-11 08:58 AM   #14 
        - You have in the past  OhioChick   May-07-11 11:11 AM   #16 
  - U.S. Drone Attack Kills 15 in Pakistan Tribal Area  alp227   May-07-11 03:53 AM   #4 
  - I can't help but wonder what these strikes are netting us  inademv   May-07-11 03:53 AM   #5 
  - TPTB do not like those questions  Angry Dragon   May-07-11 03:53 AM   #6 
  - I agree...  FirstLight   May-07-11 03:53 AM   #8 
  - Effective terror groups depend on a few skilled individuals  hack89   May-07-11 08:34 AM   #13 
  - You must be dizzy ...  GeorgeGist   May-07-11 11:39 AM   #17 
  - No - I just don't have a cartoon view of the world  hack89   May-07-11 12:37 PM   #19 
     - I have issue with your logic here  inademv   May-07-11 01:06 PM   #22 
        - Don't' be ridiculous  hack89   May-07-11 01:16 PM   #23 
           - So arrest all members of the KKK?  inademv   May-07-11 01:26 PM   #24 
              - If there is evidence they have committed  hack89   May-07-11 01:43 PM   #25 
                 - There is as much evidence that they are as the Pakistanis being bombed  inademv   May-07-11 02:09 PM   #30 
                    - Well, send a registered letter to the CIA and Pentagon  hack89   May-07-11 02:48 PM   #32 
                       - Have sent letters and petitions  inademv   May-07-11 02:52 PM   #33 
  - As they are probably blind to the religious oppression of the state...  inademv   May-07-11 12:35 PM   #18 
     - Al Queda killed tens of thousands of their fellow Muslims  hack89   May-07-11 12:42 PM   #20 
        - The countries that have managed to have those revolutions are  inademv   May-07-11 01:02 PM   #21 
  - Civilian casualites result in radicalization, there is no doubt about that.  EFerrari   May-07-11 09:13 AM   #15 
  - They are netting us more militants, so they can justify more drone attacks, and so on.  krabigirl   May-07-11 01:49 PM   #28 
  - Great...I'm expecting a number of strikes based on OBL intel n/t  godai   May-07-11 03:53 AM   #7 
  - Like... really?  Muskypundit   May-07-11 03:53 AM   #9 
  - If we are bombing Pakistan why are we giving them billions of dollars?  sarcasmo   May-07-11 03:53 AM   #10 
     - we're not bombing them, we're liberating them  ixion   May-07-11 06:03 AM   #12 
     - Because we are stupid. Nt  krabigirl   May-07-11 01:48 PM   #27 
  - "suspected" militants..ie they could be innocents. But no one cares.  krabigirl   May-07-11 01:48 PM   #26 
     - Well, no one except their families...  PurityOfEssence   May-07-11 01:58 PM   #29 
        - Last week someone asked me if I thought Iraqi lives were wortha  EFerrari   May-07-11 02:32 PM   #31 
 

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