Views from Freeperland on Murtha.

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Just some of the more typical, bits from a thread regarding Murtha. They're on extra Whine mode tonight!



MURTHA BREAKS (Dreher, The Corner)
The Corner ^ | Nov 17 05 | Rod Dreher


Posted on 11/17/2005 4:20:47 PM PST by churchillbuff


Don't know how many of you caught Rep. John Murtha's very angry, very moving speech just now in which he called on the White House to institute an immediate withdrawal of US troops from Iraq. CNN didn't air the entire thing, but as I listened to it, I could feel the ground shift. Murtha, as you know, is not a Pelosi-style Chardonnay Democrat; he's a crusty retired career Marine who reminds me of the kinds of beer-slugging Democrats we used to have before the cultural left took over the party. Murtha, a conservative Dem who voted for the war, talked in detail about the sacrifices being borne by our soldiers and their families, and about his visits out to Walter Reed to look after the maimed, and how we've had enough, it's time to come home. He was hell on the president too.

If tough, non-effete guys like Murtha are willing to go this far, and can make the case in ways that Red America can relate to -- and listening to him talk was like listening to my dad, who's about the same age, and his hunting buddies -- then the president is in big trouble. I'm sure there's going to be an anti-Murtha pile-on in the conservative blogosphere, but from where I sit, conservatives would be fools not to take this man seriously.



To: churchillbuff
"I like guys who have never been there to criticize us who have been there. I like that. I like guys that have got five deferments and never been there ands end people to war and then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done."
--John Murtha, when asked his opinion on the president and vice president's comments about the Democrats' lying short and selective memory about the run-up to this war

John Murtha can kiss my commoner redneck ass.


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To: fat city
"unwinnable"

Yes, unwinnable in the sense that we've already won.

Murtha needs to redefine war.

We have established a democracy in the heart of Islam.

We've already won that war.

We need to win the GWOT.

Murtha is not helping.



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To: RichInOC
So I have to go to Iraq before I can say I want the War on Terror over there where it is now and not over here where it was in 2001?

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To: Steve_Seattle
Hey, the Democrats have always been the cut and run party.

African Americans would still be toiling in the fields if Democrats had gotten their way and won the election (during the Civil War). Or at least spent another couple of decades in slavery.

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To: churchillbuff
Your so anti-Bush that I am sure you loved every minute of Murtha's comments.

He is getting old, a lapdog of Pelosi, and you think that most of us in Middle America are going to pay attention to Murtha -- think again -- people calling in the radio are mad. He is nothing more than a mouthpiece for Pelosi.

He has now joined the side of the traitors and and might as well have said our military who died would have died for nothing with his cut and run statement. As Speaker of the House Hastert said after Murtha's outburst, that these people have forgot what happened on 9-11! Also Murtha is a member of the House Leadership which means his credibility is zero, zip, nada!

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To: churchillbuff
WARD Churchillbluff: Murtha breaks Wind and a few hundred thousand calls and emails cascaded into his office condemning his assinine remarks.

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To: churchillbuff
Oh,I think we take the whole thing seriously. Especially, the Republicans who are abandoning the ship in a storm. I really fear for this country if there are no REAL MEN left that will stand up and fight the biggest threat this country has ever known. Thank God there are still REAL MEN in the military,the WH,on Freeper's and one next to my side at night. God help this country if we lose our nerve in this fight.

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To: churchillbuff
From Jeff Goldstein's blog:

Typical Dreher—tells us all that the sky is falling, then tries to barricade himself against criticism for his flabby, defeatist attitude by predicting that criticism in advance. So very very brave of Rod. “A pox on those conservative bloggers and their reactionary response to reason,” he practically squeals. “Why won’t they just resign themselves to the truth?—that when a ‘crusty’ retired Marine begins making impassioned speeches about surrendering in Iraq, well, it’s game over, man. Game over!”
All rather transparent, I think.

To me, what is so insulting about posts like Dreher’s is that they strain so very hard to appear dispassionate; and yet, one really need not be part of the evil VRWC Dreher seems tacitly to believe is alive and well and living on the right side of the blogosphere to be able see through such barely concealed panic and rhetorical hamfistedness.

Here’s the thing: It’s okay to say you are now for withdrawing the troops, Rod. Really— there’s no need to soften us with a lot of heavyhanded talk about defining moments and ground shifts.

But what you shouldn’t do is insult our intelligence. It’s quite possible to take someone like Murtha seriously (perhaps he truly is passionate in his convictions, irrelevant though that may be) and to find him absolutely and unabashedly wrong at the same time. At which point, our taking him seriously on the strength of his emotional appeals has very little whatever to do with how we should regard the war in Iraq, which, from a truly dispassionate standpoint, we simply cannot afford to lose.

Dreher suggests that he is simply warning conservatives that once they lose people like Murtha, the war effort is in trouble. But the fact of the matter is, the war effort is only in trouble if people like Dreher—writing for the National Review—continue to make a big deal out of losing every Democrat like Murtha, who has clearly allowed emotionalism to cloud his better judgment.

The war in Iraq is right because it is right. And that’s all there is to it, really. We must stay until the war is won. Anything short of that would prove a terrible strategic blow to this country, and would make us less safe for years to come.

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To: GEC
Murtha takes no comments via e-mail or anything that I can find. This pig has to go down. (Not nice, but he looks like a pig).

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To: RichInOC
John Murtha gets it ALL WRONG.
I listened to Fred Barnes on FoxNews with Brit and Fred nailed him...and I found what he said sooo right on.

I have military friends talk about Iraq and their story is totally different than what the lousy media continues to display. It makes them really angry because LOTS AND LOTS of great things are taking place in Iraq.

I wonder HOW MANY TIMES John Murtha has been to Iraq and really set down and talked to those soldiers? He's talking to families who've had sons over there 3 times. I've got family that's been in Iraq and Afghanistan 4 times....that's his job. And he's not complaining.

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To: PhiKapMom
He is getting old. John Patrick Murtha, Jr. (born June 17, 1932)
Murtha is 73 years old.

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To: churchillbuff
Oh, did the earth move for you too? I'm sure it did for all other America-hating liberals, democrats and assorted socialist pukes as well. Obviously Murtha has gone soft and is full of democrat horse hocky.

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he's a crusty retired career Marine
Most of that career was as a nondeploying, nonactive reservist.

If Murtha really gave a damn about the grunts on the ground in Iraq he'd get them a decent rifle. Until then he can STFU.

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To: thoughtomator
I'm more concerned how a withdrawal will encourage attacks against us.
Too true! An immediate withdrawal would give the Islamists their greatest victory ever. It would invite 100 9/11's by validating their twisted strategy of terrorism.

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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Murtha is a brain addled idiot or a traitor, calling for the defeat of our country by calling for unilateral withdrawal from Iraq.

I think he wants us to be defeated to make his earlier "unwinnable" false prediction come true.

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To: churchillbuff
You and Murtha belong at a different website.
Tell me how his arguments for an immediate withdrawal are valid and credible and not a politically timed grandstand while the pres is overseas.

So what if he is a Nam vet. BFD.

He is one of the assholes calling for a draft.

He is throwing a hissy fit because he cannot personally micromanage this conflict from his armchair in DC.

Screw him and the horse he rode in on, senator or not.

He does not speak for current veterans, and active duty folks.

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To: Ma3lst0rm
Murtha's tirade is a last gasp effort, the Republican response, Woodward's testimony and Delay's imminent aquittal/dismissal of charges has them desperate. Their whole sordid plot is about to explode in their faces.

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To: churchillbuff
The enemy finally got to Murtha. Oh, wait a minute, he is part of the enemy. Forget it.
The Dems just love dragging out "decorated Vietnam Veterans" to plead their unilateral surrender case. John Kerry is the Poster Boy of that tactic.

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To: churchillbuff
According to Brit Hume, this traitor has been anti-war since 2003. He is a lying dim, and wants to return his party to power at ANY cost... even the destruction of America!

MUCK FURTHA

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To: DarthVader
Murtha is from the Johnstown area here in PA. Not since Ken Tompkins (he stole the TV rights in the area in a scandle) have they had a worse representative.
He does NOT represent the people and has no chance of re-election. Maybe that is why he is going out in a blast???

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To: churchillbuff
I don't give a damn what Murtha says, the United States Marine Corps is not going to disgrace the memory of those who paid the ultimate price in Iraq and their families by pulling out before the job is finished. PERIOD!

And I called Murtha's office today and told them that exactly!
I also told Murtha's office that Murtha disgraced the Marine Corps today with his remarks.

Semper Fi,
Kelly

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