Reply #17: You really have a lot of faith in the principle of the "BIG LIE" don't you? Keep repeating it and

[JohnWxy]

some will think it must be true. Michael Wang's research into ethanol (and his conclusion as to it's positive net return of energy) is being demonstrated to be true every day.

Either that or you are an idiot. I don't really want to know. You live in a world your own. I guess it's an idiots delight.



From the article published in the journal Science, stating the conclusions of Alexander E. Farrell,1* Richard J. Plevin,1 Brian T. Turner,1,2 Andrew D. Jones,1 Michael O’Hare,2
Daniel M. Kammen1,2,3 of University of California, Berkeley. They reviewed six studies of the energy balance (net energy returns) of ethanol. Among these studies was that of Michael Wang, of the Argonne National Laboratory, - U.S. Department of Energy which showed along with all the other studies reviewed, except for those of Pimental and Patzek, that ethanol has a positive net energy balance. Wang is a redognized authority in the field of fuel research.

rael.berkeley.edu/ebamm/FarrellEthanolScience012706.pdf

"To better understand the energy and environmental
implications of ethanol, we surveyed the
published and gray literature and present a
comparison of six studies illustrating the range
of assumptions and data found for the case
of corn-based (Zea mays, or maize) ethanol
(11–16)."


" Two of the studies stand out from the others
because they report negative net energy values
and imply relatively high GHG emissions and
petroleum inputs (11, 12). The close evaluation
required to replicate the net energy results showed
that these two studies also stand apart from the
others by incorrectly assuming that ethanol
coproducts (materials inevitably generated when
ethanol is made, such as dried distiller grains with
solubles, corn gluten feed, and corn oil) should
not be credited with any of the input energy and
by including some input data that are old and
unrepresentative of current processes, or so
poorly documented that their quality cannot be
evaluated."

11. T. Patzek, Crit. Rev. Plant Sci. 23, 519 (2004).
12. D. Pimentel, T. Patzek, Nat. Resour. Res. 14, 65 (2005).
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Wang is a recognized authority in fuel/energy research and developed the GREET Model used by researchers in government, industry and the academia.

www.transportation.anl.gov/software/GREET/publications.html

GREET in Action (3.11Mb pdf); Argonne's Standard-Setting GREET Tool Models Fuel-Cycle Energy and Emissions Performance (451kb pdf) ...

GREET Is “Gold Standard” for Well-to-Wheel Analyses of Vehicle/Fuel Systems
Government, industry, and academic researchers are developing advanced vehicle technologies and transportation fuels to help reduce the nation's dependence on oil, lower greenhouse gas emissions and urban air pollutants, and boost energy efficiency. To assist these efforts, Argonne National Laboratory's Dr. Michael Wang has created a transportation analysis tool that allows users to accurately evaluate the energy and environmental benefits of such technologies and fuels.

The GREET (Greenhouse gases, Regulated Emissions, and Energy use in Transportation) software model addresses the need for truly comparative full fuel cycle (or well-to-wheel) analyses. Developed in a user-friendly Microsoft® Excel platform with a graphical user interface, the model is available to the public free of charge.

The Society of Automotive Engineers maintains that GREET has become a "gold standard" for well-to-wheel analyses of vehicle/fuel systems.

Users that can benefit from GREET include government agencies, the auto industry, the energy industry, research institutes, universities, and public interest groups. Already, more than 2,000 GREET users in both the public and private sectors are registered throughout North America, Europe, and Asia.

To date, Argonne has used GREET to evaluate various engine and fuel systems for the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), other government agencies, and industry (see publications list). Other organizations have used GREET to evaluate advanced vehicle technologies and new transportation fuels.