| -The "Official" Flight 93 Crash Story-- Is It Plausible? |
spooked911 |
Dec-05-10 12:00 PM |
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I find it very unlikely flight 93 was headed for Washington |
deconstruct911 |
Dec-05-10 12:15 PM |
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Is it plausible? |
zappaman |
Dec-05-10 12:39 PM |
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The plane, going over 500 mph, cartwheeled when the wing hit the ground? |
spooked911 |
Dec-06-10 07:59 AM |
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cartwheeling! ha ha ha!!! what will FBI whip up next? n/t |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 01:16 PM |
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You know the word cartwheeling came from FBI? Source, please. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 01:33 PM |
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the cartwheeling explanation came from coroner Wally Miller |
spooked911 |
Dec-06-10 08:26 PM |
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OMG, Miller is really saying it kinda cartwheeled!!! simply laughable |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:48 PM |
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Miller also gives a different story that 93 hit sideways, not inverted. |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:49 PM |
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Also LOVE Coroner Miller .... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-06-10 11:58 PM |
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yes, before the plane supposed crashed upside down. now he's saying FBI said |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 12:02 AM |
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Well ... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-10 02:38 AM |
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what's so funny about that? |
zappaman |
Dec-06-10 01:44 PM |
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is that what Flight 93 did? n/t |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 02:15 PM |
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I don't know |
zappaman |
Dec-06-10 02:35 PM |
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from sources i read, 93 did nothing like your video did. |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 02:39 PM |
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ok |
zappaman |
Dec-06-10 02:40 PM |
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"cartwheel motion" after wingtip hit is what it says, not full cartwheeling. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 02:45 PM |
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Compared to the "Unofficial" story, it is quite plausible |
KDLarsen |
Dec-06-10 08:48 AM |
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but not compared to the "unofficial" story, it's not plausible? n/t |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 02:25 PM |
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There were no planes. Any where |
Larry L. Burks |
Jan-02-11 05:01 PM |
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keep up the good work, Larry! |
zappaman |
Jan-02-11 05:06 PM |
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Thanks for the coment |
Larry L. Burks |
Jan-02-11 05:32 PM |
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well, hardly, but... |
BeFree |
Dec-06-10 11:05 AM |
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plausible that he thought that? |
spooked911 |
Dec-06-10 07:52 PM |
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is this really the official story?!? it's purely laughable!!! n/t |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 12:13 PM |
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Actually, Ziad Jarrah was also IDed with DNA. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 12:16 PM |
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bolo, is what spooked posted what you debunkers believe happened to 93? n/t |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 12:19 PM |
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I would like to see spooked cite everything he just wrote about the "official story." |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 12:33 PM |
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are you asking for that because you don't know the official story |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 12:44 PM |
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I'm asking so that I know what spooked is working from and calling the "official story". |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 12:59 PM |
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do you have a problem with any parts that spooked posted regardless? n/t |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 01:03 PM |
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First he sources, then we can match his telling to the source. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 01:28 PM |
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it just sounds like you either disagree that some parts are the official story |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 02:17 PM |
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It sounds to me like I'm saying I want spooked to source his "official story." n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 04:30 PM |
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well in the meantime, which parts of his posted story do you take issue with? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 07:39 PM |
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First the sourcing, then the discussion. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 07:47 PM |
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what are you afraid of Bolo? |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 07:53 PM |
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I've seen spooked's research skills on display before. |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:02 PM |
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sounds like you're saying what he posted is not the official story. correct? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:09 PM |
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Let's see his sourcing and find out together. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:09 PM |
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why? why can't you tell us which parts you take issue with? |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:12 PM |
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Let's see his sourcing and find out together. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:16 PM |
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we'll just leave it as you're too scared to give a position on his posted story. |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:19 PM |
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Seems to me it's spooked running from sourcing his story. |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:20 PM |
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he asked you which parts do you take issue with. |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:25 PM |
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All of them. It's spooked's research abilities I am questioning. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:26 PM |
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you're quite the sidestepper. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:30 PM |
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You are getting close to being insulting. You may wish to check DU rules. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:31 PM |
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what should i say when you're sidestepping then? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:32 PM |
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Check DU rules. You probably should do this before your next post. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:34 PM |
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there are a few dozen different sources. |
spooked911 |
Dec-06-10 07:54 PM |
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Produce them. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:02 PM |
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I will, if you give me a reason why you care so much. |
spooked911 |
Dec-06-10 08:34 PM |
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oh, double snap! nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:35 PM |
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Spooked, I have seen your attempts to reproduce what happened before. |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:36 PM |
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where's your official story version bolo? |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:39 PM |
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A fair way to break this stalemate is for spooked to source his claims. |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:44 PM |
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again, what part of this do you take issue with? |
spooked911 |
Dec-07-10 06:04 AM |
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Funny that you should mention mini-nukes What mini-nukes are you talking about? |
Larry L. Burks |
Jan-02-11 05:29 PM |
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do you have a problem with what I wrote about the official story or NOT? |
spooked911 |
Dec-08-10 09:30 AM |
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everyone seems to have a problem with you calling it |
zappaman |
Dec-08-10 10:29 AM |
#190 |
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again... |
spooked911 |
Dec-09-10 05:53 AM |
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I have nothing to fear here. |
spooked911 |
Dec-06-10 08:45 PM |
#105 |
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Here's an official story for you |
immune |
Dec-06-10 07:56 PM |
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There are only a couple of statements at that source that apply to the OP |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:25 PM |
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sources for WHICH details? |
spooked911 |
Dec-12-10 06:34 AM |
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Where do you supposed the DNA sample came from BB? |
mrarundale |
Dec-06-10 12:52 PM |
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that's incredible odds, ID'ing 100% out of only 8% remains. |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 12:55 PM |
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Plus, some victims had pieces of their bodies discovered in all five search zones. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 01:00 PM |
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post #16 |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 01:06 PM |
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Source |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 01:32 PM |
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They must have used a crop duster ...eom |
mrarundale |
Dec-06-10 09:32 PM |
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The DNA sample of Jarrah's came from his girlfriend's German apartment. |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 12:58 PM |
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how many photos of the scene did you see with body parts or blood? n/t |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 01:00 PM |
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What does that have to do with anything? n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 01:32 PM |
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kinda goes towards your post #22. if body parts were found all over the place |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 02:21 PM |
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Kinda goes toward being morbid. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 04:54 PM |
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what plane crash isn't morbid? now please answer my question. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 07:40 PM |
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matched to what? |
mrarundale |
Dec-06-10 01:00 PM |
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Source |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 01:34 PM |
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"The FBI Laboratory compared the DNA profiles" |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 02:24 PM |
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Most of your questions can be answered here |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 04:53 PM |
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so basically you have blind trust that the FBI isn't lying? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 06:40 PM |
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So basically you have blind trust that the FBI is? n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 06:58 PM |
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nice sidestep. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 07:42 PM |
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I would not have called your tactic a sidestep. Thank you for self applying. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 07:47 PM |
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if you answered my question along with asking yours, then i would have been sidstepping |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 07:56 PM |
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Yours is the original sidestep. I responded to a sidestep with a sidestep. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:01 PM |
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what did i sidestep? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:07 PM |
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The wtc7lies website. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:08 PM |
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no, i saw it. that's where saw the FBI was in charge of the scene. |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:10 PM |
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So are these people lying? |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:19 PM |
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nice sidestep again. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:29 PM |
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It's a sidestep to point out that it's not just down to trusting the FBI? Interesting. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:30 PM |
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i'm still waiting for you to answer my original question before you started sidestepping. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:34 PM |
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Your original question is the original sidestep. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:37 PM |
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how would we know, for petes sake? |
spooked911 |
Dec-06-10 08:39 PM |
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again-- how do you know what those guys have seen or what they know? |
spooked911 |
Dec-08-10 09:29 AM |
#188 |
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again-- how do you know what those guys have seen or what they know? |
spooked911 |
Dec-22-10 07:59 PM |
#213 |
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again-- how do you know what those guys have seen or what they know? |
spooked911 |
Dec-31-10 07:31 AM |
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I don't understand what that proves |
Raphael Weber |
Dec-09-10 02:27 AM |
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bolo's trying to play on people's emotions and avoid science. nt |
travis80 |
Jan-02-11 09:47 PM |
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i noticed that site doesn't really give an official story |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 06:43 PM |
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Go find me a link to the official story. |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 06:57 PM |
#47 |
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yes, the US gov never produced a detailed one. more evidence of inside job. |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 07:46 PM |
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Hey, you've had almost ten years to "piece together a more detailed" alternative |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 07:49 PM |
#56 |
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oh i misread, our alternative is no plane crashed and the scene was staged. |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 07:57 PM |
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You think the OP is what actually happened? Really? n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:01 PM |
#64 |
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no, i think it's what officially happened. don't you? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:03 PM |
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I've asked you for the detailed alternate you think happened. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:06 PM |
#69 |
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why? we aren't the ones who are making the initial claim that 93 crashed there. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:14 PM |
#76 |
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Scared to present an alternate version? I don't blame you. n/t |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:29 PM |
#87 |
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no, because we don't have to prove what really happened, but that the official story didn't. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:37 PM |
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But your only tactic so far to prove the official story didn't is "ha, ha, ha!" |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:43 PM |
#103 |
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kinda funny an official story supporter needs sources to confirm the official story. |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:52 PM |
#109 |
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I don't feel the need to defend something put together by spooked sight unseen. |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:59 PM |
#112 |
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well i just reviewed all the sources and they all pan out. so do you support this story? |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 09:03 PM |
#114 |
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Not that Bolo needs to take cues from me... |
AZCat |
Dec-06-10 10:44 PM |
#123 |
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this will explain the source |
zappaman |
Dec-06-10 10:45 PM |
#124 |
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I've long been aware of spooked's blog. |
AZCat |
Dec-06-10 10:51 PM |
#125 |
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AZCat, do you agree with the story spooked posted here? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 10:54 PM |
#126 |
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Why do you care if I "agree" with a narrative... |
AZCat |
Dec-06-10 10:59 PM |
#127 |
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funny you guys make fun of spooked all the time, but then are too afraid to answer |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 11:10 PM |
#128 |
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That's an interesting response. |
AZCat |
Dec-06-10 11:14 PM |
#129 |
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i'm curious if you agree with the posted story, or not. |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 11:19 PM |
#131 |
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And I am not sure why you consider my opinion relevant. |
AZCat |
Dec-06-10 11:22 PM |
#132 |
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just curious, that's all. so do you agree with the posted story? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 11:52 PM |
#142 |
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So you don't have any reason my opinion is particularly relevant. |
AZCat |
Dec-09-10 07:30 PM |
#204 |
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no one is afraid |
zappaman |
Dec-06-10 11:17 PM |
#130 |
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which specific parts of it do you need sourced and why? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 11:22 PM |
#133 |
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the parts you claimed to have looked up will do nicely n/t |
zappaman |
Dec-06-10 11:25 PM |
#134 |
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sure, one at a time causes there's so many. which one first? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 11:32 PM |
#136 |
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start anywhere you'd like |
zappaman |
Dec-06-10 11:37 PM |
#139 |
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which specific part of the posted story do you have issue with and why? |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 11:41 PM |
#140 |
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the reason I put official in quotes |
spooked911 |
Dec-14-10 07:55 PM |
#207 |
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"Is uncritical acceptance the sort of behavior we want to encourage?" Well, Bolo does.. |
Ghost in the Machine |
Jan-02-11 06:17 AM |
#222 |
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"i just reviewed all the sources and they all pan out" |
zappaman |
Dec-06-10 11:28 PM |
#135 |
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google is your friend. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 11:33 PM |
#137 |
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good non-answer |
zappaman |
Dec-06-10 11:35 PM |
#138 |
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"Unknown human remains" |
mrarundale |
Dec-06-10 02:55 PM |
#39 |
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DNA |
Raphael Weber |
Dec-07-10 02:54 AM |
#147 |
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that story is not only implausible, but impossible. |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 02:27 PM |
#32 |
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I don't agree |
zappaman |
Dec-06-10 02:36 PM |
#34 |
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i'm saying the story spooked posted is impossible for a 757 to do that |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 02:41 PM |
#37 |
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at this point |
zappaman |
Dec-06-10 04:27 PM |
#40 |
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thanks for admitting you're biased. |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 06:42 PM |
#45 |
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"do you think all of what he posted is possible for a 757 to do?" |
zappaman |
Dec-06-10 07:12 PM |
#49 |
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can you not read spooked's post all of a sudden? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 07:58 PM |
#63 |
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no, this does not make sense to me... |
zappaman |
Dec-06-10 10:22 PM |
#122 |
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what part? |
spooked911 |
Dec-14-10 08:29 PM |
#209 |
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good post spooked! you got the debunkers questioning the official story |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:28 PM |
#85 |
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:eyes: |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:34 PM |
#92 |
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well which parts of spooked's post do you take issue with? |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:42 PM |
#102 |
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I take issue with spooked's research abilities. I've been telling you this |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 08:45 PM |
#106 |
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I think all of us would/could better understand your issue |
deconstruct911 |
Dec-06-10 08:53 PM |
#110 |
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and i asked which parts, so i can help source them for you. sheesh. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 08:56 PM |
#111 |
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And I told you: all of them. |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 09:03 PM |
#113 |
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no, what? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 09:05 PM |
#115 |
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Two newspaper interviews and one video interview of Wallace Miller. |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-06-10 09:27 PM |
#116 |
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here is Spooked's source |
zappaman |
Dec-06-10 10:00 PM |
#118 |
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bolo, shouldn't you warn zappaman about DU's rules about insulting? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 10:14 PM |
#120 |
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how is that an insult? |
zappaman |
Dec-06-10 10:19 PM |
#121 |
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Waller Miller wasn't an official working at the scene? |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 10:13 PM |
#119 |
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bolo? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 06:36 PM |
#154 |
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Official sources? |
immune |
Dec-07-10 09:34 AM |
#150 |
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Official myth re Flight #93 is ridiculous ... from beginning to end .... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-06-10 11:49 PM |
#141 |
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debunkers, lets say spooked's posted story is the official story |
travis80 |
Dec-06-10 11:55 PM |
#143 |
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Let's say it's NOT the "official story" |
William Seger |
Dec-07-10 08:20 AM |
#149 |
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answer my question first, then i'll answer yours. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 01:04 PM |
#151 |
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I did answer |
William Seger |
Dec-07-10 06:22 PM |
#152 |
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it's not inherently meaningless if it's the correct official story |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 06:36 PM |
#153 |
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Define "official story" |
William Seger |
Dec-07-10 06:45 PM |
#155 |
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you know what it means so go ahead and show me what you're getting at. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 06:57 PM |
#156 |
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So, your definition is too fuzzy to put into words? |
William Seger |
Dec-07-10 08:35 PM |
#181 |
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the story about an event given by gubmnt officials |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 08:42 PM |
#183 |
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Not so fast |
William Seger |
Dec-07-10 09:38 PM |
#185 |
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nope, not correct. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 11:23 PM |
#186 |
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So you get my point now? |
William Seger |
Dec-08-10 12:12 PM |
#191 |
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no, because you interpreted my definition wrong. |
travis80 |
Dec-08-10 12:44 PM |
#192 |
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Actually, you referenced unspecified "gubmnt officials". |
AZCat |
Dec-09-10 08:04 PM |
#205 |
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"i've check it and it all seems to be accurate.": |
zappaman |
Dec-07-10 06:58 PM |
#157 |
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which parts are you having problems with? |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 07:00 PM |
#158 |
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can't be that time consuming |
zappaman |
Dec-07-10 07:02 PM |
#159 |
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ok, which one are you having problems with? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 07:04 PM |
#160 |
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start here |
zappaman |
Dec-07-10 07:14 PM |
#161 |
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spooked already posted it. it came from Wally Miller, an official at the scene. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 07:19 PM |
#162 |
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that is not an "official" source |
zappaman |
Dec-07-10 07:24 PM |
#163 |
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no, he said "the explanation was..." meaning what the head officials explained to him. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 07:25 PM |
#164 |
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"meaning what the head officials explained to him" |
zappaman |
Dec-07-10 07:29 PM |
#165 |
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you saying Waller Miller wasn't an official at the scene working under the FBI? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 07:33 PM |
#167 |
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he's a coroner |
zappaman |
Dec-07-10 07:35 PM |
#169 |
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what's your problem with his explanation? does it not sound possible? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 07:42 PM |
#171 |
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I'm not saying I have a problem with it |
zappaman |
Dec-07-10 07:46 PM |
#173 |
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i asked which part of the posted story you had a problem with. you brought up the cartwheel |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 07:48 PM |
#175 |
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I asked for an official source |
zappaman |
Dec-07-10 07:53 PM |
#176 |
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no, i'm laughing at you. i asked what you had a problem with |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 08:09 PM |
#178 |
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nice try |
zappaman |
Dec-07-10 08:11 PM |
#179 |
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ok, i'm laughing at you AND that explanation. |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 08:37 PM |
#182 |
| -
again, why is it funny? |
zappaman |
Dec-07-10 09:13 PM |
#184 |
| -
funny how truthers are having to tell debunkers what the official story is. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 11:26 PM |
#187 |
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funny |
zappaman |
Dec-08-10 12:47 PM |
#193 |
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which parts of that posted story do you think didn't happen? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-08-10 12:57 PM |
#194 |
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ok, because its fun playing your little game |
zappaman |
Dec-08-10 01:01 PM |
#196 |
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none of it happened? cool, that means you don't think Flight 93 crashed either! |
travis80 |
Dec-08-10 01:05 PM |
#197 |
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Lets do some crash comparisons |
sgsmith |
Dec-07-10 07:31 PM |
#166 |
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so, the crash site should have looked like this? |
zappaman |
Dec-07-10 07:34 PM |
#168 |
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how are those close to identical? it says blood was found there for one. |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 07:40 PM |
#170 |
| -
if that is the case of the "cartwheel"... |
zappaman |
Dec-07-10 07:43 PM |
#172 |
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funny you should ask that. see post #171. nt |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 07:46 PM |
#174 |
| -
what is so funny? |
zappaman |
Dec-07-10 07:55 PM |
#177 |
| -
is that what happened then? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-07-10 08:12 PM |
#180 |
| -
I am familiar with the Electra crash |
spooked911 |
Dec-14-10 08:27 PM |
#208 |
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debunkers, which parts of the posted story do you think didn't happened? nt |
travis80 |
Dec-08-10 01:00 PM |
#195 |
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all of it |
zappaman |
Dec-08-10 01:05 PM |
#198 |
| -
ok, zappaman doesn't think Flight 93 crashed by his answer |
travis80 |
Dec-08-10 01:12 PM |
#199 |
| -
yeah just as I thought |
zappaman |
Dec-08-10 01:17 PM |
#200 |
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"more games" |
deconstruct911 |
Dec-08-10 05:55 PM |
#201 |
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you don't believe any of what I posted, even though I gave sources for |
spooked911 |
Dec-14-10 08:32 PM |
#210 |
| -
Put words in anyone's mouth lately? |
ryan_cats |
Jan-04-11 09:52 AM |
#285 |
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I still would love an explanation for how |
spooked911 |
Dec-17-10 06:06 AM |
#211 |
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I still would like an explanation for how |
zappaman |
Dec-17-10 01:37 PM |
#212 |
| -
awesome-- so you agree |
spooked911 |
Dec-22-10 08:00 PM |
#214 |
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Nice to see the the "credulous crew" running in circles. |
Bonobo |
Dec-23-10 12:18 AM |
#215 |
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wow, the skeptics are still ducking! n/t |
travis80 |
Dec-31-10 01:35 PM |
#217 |
| -
Skeptics, what's your most detailed version of the Flight 93 crash story? |
travis80 |
Jan-02-11 12:06 AM |
#218 |
| -
Spooked was asked to produce the sources for his "official story." Get your facts straight. |
Bolo Boffin |
Jan-02-11 12:06 AM |
#219 |
| -
"The main reason for this" |
William Seger |
Jan-02-11 12:06 AM |
#220 |
| -
Bill? There are planes? Are you sure? What Planes would that be? |
Larry L. Burks |
Jan-02-11 05:55 PM |
#233 |
| -
what spooked left out.... |
zappaman |
Jan-02-11 12:06 AM |
#221 |
| -
wow, didn't expect such a hostile response politely asking for the official story! |
travis80 |
Jan-02-11 12:20 PM |
#223 |
| -
The "official story" is that Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville |
William Seger |
Jan-02-11 03:25 PM |
#224 |
| -
Absolutely true: I commend your perspicacity. |
plain1 |
Jan-02-11 03:29 PM |
#225 |
| -
I would agree with you |
zappaman |
Jan-02-11 03:38 PM |
#226 |
| -
That does seem to be the case |
plain1 |
Jan-02-11 05:19 PM |
#229 |
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Nailed it. +1. n/t. |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-02-11 05:35 PM |
#232 |
| -
If you know any thing about air planes |
Larry L. Burks |
Jan-02-11 06:27 PM |
#234 |
| -
Good work, Larry |
zappaman |
Jan-02-11 06:32 PM |
#235 |
| -
That’s not Necessary. |
Larry L. Burks |
Jan-02-11 07:15 PM |
#236 |
| -
that's sad |
zappaman |
Jan-02-11 07:44 PM |
#237 |
| -
if you're so confident that 93 crashed, then why can't you give us the whole story? |
travis80 |
Jan-02-11 09:44 PM |
#238 |
| -
ok |
zappaman |
Jan-02-11 09:58 PM |
#240 |
| -
you forgot the wikipedia link to your copy-n-paste |
travis80 |
Jan-02-11 10:28 PM |
#243 |
| -
yeah, it was from wikipedia... |
zappaman |
Jan-02-11 10:35 PM |
#245 |
| -
as i said, look at spooked's to get ideas which details you left out. nt |
travis80 |
Jan-02-11 10:44 PM |
#248 |
| -
I already told you: I'm not playing that stupid game. |
William Seger |
Jan-02-11 10:15 PM |
#242 |
| -
an intelligible definition of "official story" -- um, more than a paragraph summary. nt |
travis80 |
Jan-02-11 10:37 PM |
#246 |
| -
I told you |
zappaman |
Jan-02-11 10:40 PM |
#247 |
| -
spooked's version is the most complete official story i've seen. nt |
travis80 |
Jan-02-11 10:46 PM |
#249 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-02-11 11:05 PM |
#250 |
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I've made it - I've literally lived long enough to have really & truly "seen it all." Unbelievable. |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-03-11 11:45 PM |
#252 |
| -
i know, the official story is pretty ludicrous, ain't it? n/t |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 12:00 AM |
#254 |
| -
No, the content of the reply in #249 is ludicrous. But, then, you knew that, didn't you? |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-04-11 12:03 AM |
#255 |
| -
what did i say that was so funny? nt |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 12:15 AM |
#258 |
| -
Why are you shooting at a goal at all? |
AZCat |
Jan-02-11 10:06 PM |
#241 |
| -
i'm just asking the official story believers to tell me what the official story is. |
travis80 |
Jan-02-11 10:34 PM |
#244 |
| -
Why don't you go figure it out yourself? |
AZCat |
Jan-03-11 11:31 PM |
#251 |
| -
spooked did (see post #1). you skeptics didn't seem to accept it, so... |
travis80 |
Jan-03-11 11:58 PM |
#253 |
| -
"IMO, some of this is plausible, but other parts are simply ludicrous. All in all, major parts of |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-04-11 12:07 AM |
#256 |
| -
you saying spooked's version isn't what happened? nt |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 12:17 AM |
#259 |
| -
This is "spooked's version" as regards this OP: |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-04-11 12:26 AM |
#261 |
| -
is that a yes? n/t |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 12:28 AM |
#262 |
| -
Non-responsive - it's been established what spook is wrong about in this OP. Please try again. n/t. |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-04-11 12:33 AM |
#265 |
| -
so one more time, spooked's version is not the official story? nt |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 12:34 AM |
#266 |
| -
Non-responsive - it's been established what spook is wrong about in this OP. Please try again. n/t. |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-04-11 12:35 AM |
#267 |
| -
i'll take that as a yes to my question. nt |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 12:37 AM |
#268 |
| -
So, you, too, admit spooks assertion that the so-called "OCT" was false is itself false? Great! |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-04-11 12:41 AM |
#271 |
| -
no (i think). i think spooked's version is the correct official story. if you guys disagree, |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 12:47 AM |
#272 |
| -
What you've attempted to do is burn up this sub-thread with a too-clever-by-half semantics game. |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-04-11 12:59 AM |
#274 |
| -
"restrict myself to actually dealing in facts, evidence" - k, what are they? nt |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 01:01 AM |
#275 |
| -
And right on cue, an attempt once again to change the subject. Textbook. n/t. |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-04-11 01:05 AM |
#277 |
| -
how am i changing the subject? nt |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 01:15 AM |
#279 |
| -
And again, the attempt is made to distract from the manifest failure above. Risible stuff. |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-04-11 01:18 AM |
#280 |
| -
now i think you're just trolling. later. nt |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 01:21 AM |
#282 |
| -
The fact that you were incapable (above) of prevailing with facts and unable in subsequent replies |
apocalypsehow |
Jan-04-11 01:25 AM |
#283 |
| -
Why do you care if we don't accept it? |
AZCat |
Jan-04-11 12:10 AM |
#257 |
| -
i'm looking for the version that is what officially happened. |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 12:20 AM |
#260 |
| -
I don't know why you're looking the truth on an anonymous internet forum. |
AZCat |
Jan-04-11 12:29 AM |
#263 |
| -
i guess i thought you skeptics would know the official story. sorry if i was wrong. nt |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 12:33 AM |
#264 |
| -
Why would you depend on us for something that seems to be so important to you? |
AZCat |
Jan-04-11 12:37 AM |
#269 |
| -
i thought i found my answer with post #1, but you skeptics say that's not the OS |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 12:40 AM |
#270 |
| -
I think the problem is a little more complicated. |
AZCat |
Jan-04-11 12:58 AM |
#273 |
| -
2nd time you brought up youtube videos. how does that relate to this thread? nt |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 01:03 AM |
#276 |
| -
It's merely an example... |
AZCat |
Jan-04-11 01:07 AM |
#278 |
| -
as to finding out the real OS, spooked's version seems to be correct. i checked all his claims |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 01:19 AM |
#281 |
| -
good for you |
zappaman |
Jan-04-11 02:45 AM |
#284 |
| -
sure, which parts do you need links for? |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 12:47 PM |
#286 |
| -
well, if you have checked thru his story |
zappaman |
Jan-04-11 05:17 PM |
#287 |
| -
i'm not dodging. how many times have i asked you which parts you need links for? |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 05:23 PM |
#288 |
| -
yes I did |
zappaman |
Jan-04-11 05:27 PM |
#289 |
| -
ok, here... |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 05:30 PM |
#290 |
| -
that's weird |
zappaman |
Jan-04-11 05:36 PM |
#291 |
| -
you didn't say you wanted a link for that, even though i asked you which part you wanted a link for |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 05:39 PM |
#292 |
| -
LOL |
zappaman |
Jan-04-11 05:41 PM |
#293 |
| -
do you know how many times we've been asking you which parts to link? |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 05:47 PM |
#294 |
| -
I just asked you to give me a link for the "cartwheeling" |
zappaman |
Jan-04-11 05:49 PM |
#295 |
| -
cartwheel motion, not cartwheeling. |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 06:00 PM |
#296 |
| -
now you're playing word games? |
zappaman |
Jan-04-11 06:02 PM |
#297 |
| -
not from an official who was working at the scene under the direction of the FBI? |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 06:06 PM |
#298 |
| -
if might behoove you to raise your standards |
zappaman |
Jan-04-11 06:11 PM |
#299 |
| -
not take the word of a county coroner, who was there under the direction of the FBI? |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 06:13 PM |
#300 |
| -
why would I take the word of coroner about something to do with aviation? |
zappaman |
Jan-04-11 06:15 PM |
#301 |
| -
k, will do! nt |
travis80 |
Jan-04-11 06:16 PM |
#302 |
| -
Do you think that is sufficient? |
AZCat |
Jan-05-11 09:39 PM |
#309 |
| -
you skeptics seem to think so on your debunker blogs and sites. nt |
travis80 |
Jan-05-11 10:45 PM |
#310 |
| -
Really? I didn't realize I had a blog or a site. |
AZCat |
Jan-06-11 08:55 PM |
#313 |
| -
don't be snide. you know what i meant. if you debunkers use MSM reports, why can't we? nt |
travis80 |
Jan-06-11 08:57 PM |
#314 |
| -
Really? I thought you might have thought I had a site. |
AZCat |
Jan-06-11 09:05 PM |
#315 |
| -
where do you think the MSM gets their info about something like a plane crash? nt |
travis80 |
Jan-06-11 09:08 PM |
#316 |
| -
It depends. |
AZCat |
Jan-06-11 09:13 PM |
#317 |
| -
most of the MSM info in spooked's version are from later reports. so what's the problem? |
travis80 |
Jan-06-11 09:17 PM |
#318 |
| -
I can't believe I have to point this out to you. |
AZCat |
Jan-06-11 09:22 PM |
#319 |
| -
spooked's version is not from one source. again, which other problems you have with it? nt |
travis80 |
Jan-06-11 09:23 PM |
#320 |
| -
Was Judith Miller the only one reporting such things? |
AZCat |
Jan-06-11 09:28 PM |
#321 |
| -
well a truther interviewed Wally Miller. even filmed it. but you guys didn't accept what Miller said |
travis80 |
Jan-06-11 09:33 PM |
#322 |
| -
Apparently you haven't been reading my posts for comprehension. |
AZCat |
Jan-06-11 09:34 PM |
#323 |
| -
why can't you answer what other problems you have with spooked's version? |
travis80 |
Jan-06-11 09:38 PM |
#324 |
| -
Why is my opinion (and the opinion of other "skeptics") important to you? n/t |
AZCat |
Jan-06-11 09:40 PM |
#325 |
| -
cause i think you guys are very smart and value your opinions. so which parts? nt |
travis80 |
Jan-06-11 09:43 PM |
#326 |
| -
We are anonymous posters on an internet message board. |
AZCat |
Jan-06-11 09:47 PM |
#327 |
| -
you are really avoiding answering my question. why's that? |
travis80 |
Jan-06-11 09:50 PM |
#328 |
| -
You can think whatever you want. It's a (somewhat) free country, after all. |
AZCat |
Jan-06-11 09:55 PM |
#329 |
| -
yeah, you know the official story is ludicrous, so you avoid it. if not, |
travis80 |
Jan-06-11 09:57 PM |
#330 |
| -
It seems you are not familiar... |
AZCat |
Jan-06-11 10:04 PM |
#331 |
| -
so you believe a plane crash, but don't care how it officially did? blind faith? nt |
travis80 |
Jan-06-11 10:06 PM |
#332 |
| -
I don't actually understand your post. |
AZCat |
Jan-06-11 10:07 PM |
#333 |
| -
sorry, i overestimated your comprehension abilities. |
travis80 |
Jan-07-11 02:33 AM |
#336 |
| -
I'm sorry if I can't read gibberish. |
AZCat |
Jan-07-11 07:21 PM |
#346 |
| -
It also seems "travis" is not familiar with hardly any of the evidence... |
SDuderstadt |
Jan-06-11 10:10 PM |
#334 |
| -
Perhaps, but there is potential for enlightenment in every individual. n/t |
AZCat |
Jan-06-11 10:11 PM |
#335 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-07-11 02:34 AM |
#337 |
| -
Poor, poor Travis... |
SDuderstadt |
Jan-07-11 01:06 PM |
#338 |
| -
I'd love to see Travis'... |
SDuderstadt |
Jan-07-11 01:49 PM |
#339 |
| -
would loved to have told ya. too bad you boycotted me. nt |
travis80 |
Jan-07-11 02:06 PM |
#340 |
| -
If Travis could refute the evidence I provided... |
SDuderstadt |
Jan-07-11 02:12 PM |
#341 |
| -
awwww |
zappaman |
Jan-07-11 02:20 PM |
#342 |
| -
too bad i boycotted you for all your troll posts and insults. nt |
travis80 |
Jan-07-11 02:52 PM |
#343 |
| -
LOL |
zappaman |
Jan-07-11 03:06 PM |
#344 |
| -
any other parts of spooked's version skeptics have problems with |
travis80 |
Jan-05-11 12:49 AM |
#303 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-05-11 01:08 AM |
#304 |
| -
any other parts skeptics? nt |
travis80 |
Jan-05-11 01:51 PM |
#305 |
| -
no other parts skeptics? nt |
travis80 |
Jan-05-11 03:03 PM |
#306 |
| -
again skeptics, if there are any other parts to spooked's version you want sources for |
travis80 |
Jan-05-11 03:48 PM |
#307 |
| -
skeptics, was Wally Miller's wingtip-hit-then-cartwheeled claim only part of spooked's version |
travis80 |
Jan-05-11 07:10 PM |
#308 |
| -
spooked, looks like the skeptics only had a problem with what Wally Miller had to say |
travis80 |
Jan-06-11 05:08 PM |
#311 |
| -
still waiting for you to post some EVIDENCE that the scene was staged |
zappaman |
Jan-06-11 05:24 PM |
#312 |
| -
skeptics, since it seems only problem you had was Miller's quote, do you think |
travis80 |
Jan-07-11 04:49 PM |
#345 |
| -
isn't it funny skeptics want to stay away from the full details of the 'crash'?! nt |
travis80 |
Jan-09-11 02:25 PM |
#347 |
| -
Isn't it funny CTers want to stay away from posting EVIDENCE of their speculations? n/t |
zappaman |
Jan-09-11 02:46 PM |
#348 |
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