Who voted, who missed the vote and the problem with Obama supporters

[MagsDem]

Yesterday, Obama supporters were beside themselves with the non-issue that Clinton didn't vote on the telecoms immunity bill even though she voted against it previously (so was on record about it) and even though her vote wouldn't have changed the final outcome. Not just here, but on DKos and other blog sites. "It was critical" they claimed, even though it was no such thing. Now, today, when it is apparent that Obama was not there for the final vote they claim THAT wasn't a critical vote. In the meantime, Obama supporters avoid any discussion of the real issues. Much like their candidate, in MY opinion.

It's all such complete bullshit.

I just voted in a poll saying that I will NOT vote for Obama if he wins the nomination. That will be the first time I haven't voted for the Dem nominee in 29 years of voting. I have stated my reasons for that -- I don't find him trustworthy. And I find his dishonestly unusually self serving. My impression about Obama is that it is all about Obama. It's not about the agenda, it's not about the country - it's about him. I also think he is wholly unqualified, and my fear is that if he wins, which I think is doubtful, he will be our party's George Bush. A mixture of dishonesty and incompetence that will set our party back decades. Lastly, his policy positions are far from bold. They are old, reworked policies watered down to be palatable to rethugs. There is nothing "transformational" about them in the least.

But here is where his rabid supporters come in. I read these sites daily, and have for years. And you know, you COULD have convinced me to vote for your guy. I am a loyal democratic support with both my money and my time. But I had my doubts about Obama and you did nothing but confirm them. This guy spins this unity platform and his supporters are just absolute jackasses? They spew every right wing talking point they have ever heard about Clinton? They go into melt down mode when asked about Obama's policy positions like a 10 yr old kid who's been sleep deprived?

And frankly, his supporters in real life are no better. I've been to party meeting and caucus sites before, and we're all dems and we get along. But this year? Rude, pushy, insulting about Clinton. Yelling at people that dare not support their demi-God. Never in my life did I realize people like this even belonged to our party. My family has a running joke -- whenever we see someone rude in traffic, in a store, etc. we all look at each other and say "must be a republican" and laugh. But now it appears to describe members of my own party. It's sad. And yes, it confirms my fear that Obama is the George Bush of our party. Hillary is divisive? No, not like that she isn't.

And I am sorry I got down to that level and got rude back. I truly am. I'm not sorry I have challenged you on his policy positions. What I found out was that most of you support him because you hate Hillary (the right wing has conditioned you well), or you support him based on pure emotion. Many of you seem to realize his policy positions are far from bold. If you really believed in his agenda you would be able to speak to it and defend it, and tell us why it was better than the other candidate's policy positions and agenda. And most of all, you wouldn't be reduced to lashing out at absurd things like the telecoms immunity, then turning yourselves into knots trying to explain why it was fine for him to miss the final vote. Or the topper yesterday -- someone posting "Hillary is a LIAR!!!!" because she didn't publicly rake her former campaign manager over the coals on TV, because apparently that is what she is supposed to do if she is being "truthful."

The reality is that there isn't a lot of difference between Obama and Clinton policy positions and agenda except for her experience and his stated willingness to "work with" rethugs, versus her promise to "fight them."

But the bottom line is that, in my view at least, his supporters remind me of rethugs and their tactics. In nearly 30 yrs in politics I have never seen such hatred and nastiness. If I didn't know better I'd think the rethugs had paid you and planted you here. I want you to know that it has forever changed my view of our party as the good guys. I'm seriously considering changing my affiliation to independent. I am certainly not going to contribute to the party any longer. For years now I have had dear friends that have been turned off politics telling me there really is no difference between the parties. After this cycle I have come to believe they are right.