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Tue Dec-26-06 04:22 AM
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| 48. These were/are most of the Repub talking points from 2004 |
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Not saying that you are a Repub, but those points are almost word-for-word from the 2004 TPs used against Edwards. The questioning about what he had done for NC, the claims about constituent services, the framing of debate wrt Cheney's daughter, the assertions that he never did anything as Senator except run for President (your "lust for power") -- my Repub relatives all had exactly those talking points. (I haven't queried them on examples of how Dole and Burr are much better. Ha! BTW Helms probably had the most responsive staff operation. Doesn't change my dislike for him, though.)
I was unhappy that Edwards and other Dems voted for the IWR. I suspect that many of them really believed that, without the IWR Bush was ready to attack immediately and that the IWR might get the inspectors into Iraq and might prevent conflict, and possibly that the IWR required Bush to come back to Congress for concurrence with any actions. The "Secret" briefings that the Senators received in the run-up to the war were apparently grossly misleading. IMHO Edwards was not cynical enough when dealing with the Nixon retreads; he was a few years too young to have felt the full impact of Vietnam. I also think he might have benefited from the broader undergraduate education at UNC versus the more-focused one at NC State (showing my biases).
While Obama is an attractive candidate in many ways, I would be very surprised if he were to become our nominee this time (for lots of reasons, starting with how hard it is to win the Dem nomination on your first try). While Obama has some "buzz" over the last couple of years, I am suspicious of the super-hype of the last couple of months. The conservative pundits on the MSM are promoting him as about the only thing between HRC and the nomination. Why? Could it be an effort to make it harder for everyone except Obama and Clinton, neither of whom is beating the likely Repub candidates in recent polling?
Although the Edwards family lived around the corner from me last year, I personally would prefer Gore, if he were to run. Gore/Edwards would be quite an attractive ticket. Otherwise, I could enthusiastically support Edwards over Clinton or Obama. Obviously, I will support any Dem nominee over any Repub loser.
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| -How can Edwards effectively compete with Obama? |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-25-06 10:09 PM |
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Edwards will be seriously hindered should Obama enter the race. |
Ninja Jordan |
Dec-25-06 10:11 PM |
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Maybe. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-25-06 10:12 PM |
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Gore will not run; Clark is a marginal candidate. |
Ninja Jordan |
Dec-25-06 10:16 PM |
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If you check another Politics post |
illinoisprogressive |
Dec-25-06 10:24 PM |
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I figured as much; it would be idiotic for Obama not to run now. |
Ninja Jordan |
Dec-25-06 10:29 PM |
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You are correct...Obama is sucking all the oxygen out of Edwards |
fuzzyball |
Dec-26-06 01:04 PM |
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That could change. |
Andromeda |
Dec-26-06 08:18 PM |
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If Clark runs, he will pull votes away from supporters of other candidates |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-25-06 10:27 PM |
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Marginal as it relates to his prospects of winning the nomination. |
Ninja Jordan |
Dec-25-06 10:31 PM |
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Except I doubt he'd want to be vice president. |
Clark2008 |
Dec-26-06 10:47 AM |
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Clarkie1 - why not ask how can CLARK effectively compete with Obama? |
chimpymustgo |
Dec-26-06 08:02 AM |
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Because that's not what this thread is about. |
Clark2008 |
Dec-26-06 10:59 AM |
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Why don't YOU start a thread asking that question - this is the DU forum, not the Clark forum |
beaconess |
Dec-26-06 02:56 PM |
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I think Clark and Edwards will appeal to different groups. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-26-06 08:21 PM |
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Gore will most likely not run |
Andromeda |
Dec-26-06 08:16 PM |
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There is no way Obama will win the nomination |
Bitwit1234 |
Dec-25-06 10:24 PM |
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You mean win the general election. |
Ninja Jordan |
Dec-25-06 10:26 PM |
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I agree. His race is certainly not a negative to winning the Democratic |
Pirate Smile |
Dec-25-06 10:58 PM |
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Look, there are bigots who are Dems, particularly in the red/purple |
Clark2008 |
Dec-26-06 11:03 AM |
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Disagree about the nomination |
Solo_in_MD |
Dec-25-06 10:38 PM |
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I don't believe that. |
Andromeda |
Dec-26-06 08:24 PM |
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edwards better start thumpin his bible if he has one nt |
msongs |
Dec-25-06 10:27 PM |
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This may be begging the question, but must they compete against each other? |
no_hypocrisy |
Dec-25-06 10:28 PM |
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Edwards will do much better in the south |
PretzelWarrior |
Dec-25-06 10:35 PM |
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A huge chunk of South Carolina's primary voting block is African-Americans |
Ninja Jordan |
Dec-25-06 10:41 PM |
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Edwards can't even carry his own home state! |
BluegrassDem |
Dec-25-06 10:52 PM |
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The South has been seen as "GOP right wing bigots" |
Erika |
Dec-25-06 11:03 PM |
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How does the Iraq being "one unholy cockup" help Edwards? |
damkira |
Dec-25-06 11:48 PM |
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I Certainly Agree With You About The South To Some Extent.... |
ChiciB1 |
Dec-26-06 02:02 PM |
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I totally agree with you |
nevergiveup |
Dec-25-06 10:35 PM |
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Obama can't carry a candle to John Edwards IMHO. |
Andromeda |
Dec-26-06 08:30 PM |
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Self delete ... |
Trajan |
Dec-25-06 10:41 PM |
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Well, a lot of people I know really like Edwards. |
madfloridian |
Dec-25-06 10:48 PM |
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Edwards And Obama Are My Dream Ticket |
mntleo2 |
Dec-25-06 10:56 PM |
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Yep. I 100% agree |
Erika |
Dec-25-06 10:59 PM |
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Edwards is loved by the crowds. |
Erika |
Dec-25-06 10:58 PM |
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Edwards is battle tested |
lwin |
Dec-25-06 11:00 PM |
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He and Eizabeth are wonderful! |
Erika |
Dec-25-06 11:06 PM |
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Agree. And we don't really know what Obama stands for |
question everything |
Dec-25-06 11:17 PM |
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What did you or anyone else know about Edwards in December of 2002? |
beaconess |
Dec-26-06 09:59 AM |
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I knew that he was a successful trial lawyer, meaning he is |
question everything |
Dec-26-06 09:21 PM |
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Edwards is battle tested because he ran for president in 2004 |
beaconess |
Dec-26-06 09:59 AM |
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Of Late... His Maturity Is Really Beginning To SHINE Too!!! |
ChiciB1 |
Dec-26-06 02:06 PM |
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I agree - but these are qualities that weren't apparent until he ran for president |
beaconess |
Dec-26-06 02:55 PM |
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This Is True... Obama Certainly Has A Comfort Zone That He |
ChiciB1 |
Dec-26-06 06:00 PM |
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As an Iowan... |
Counciltucky |
Dec-25-06 11:05 PM |
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But, he has not been running... |
illinoisprogressive |
Dec-25-06 11:09 PM |
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But at this point, is it possible? |
Counciltucky |
Dec-26-06 02:35 AM |
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How do you know what Obama can and can't do in a campaign? He hasn't started yet! |
beaconess |
Dec-26-06 10:02 AM |
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I agree, barack Obama hasn't even begun to get all of his views opinons across yet! |
Imagevision |
Dec-26-06 01:43 PM |
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What about the poll that shows Edwards and Obama tied at... |
damkira |
Dec-26-06 11:29 AM |
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Seems to me Obama transends many things. |
illinoisprogressive |
Dec-25-06 11:07 PM |
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I prefer Edwards personally... |
Blue_In_AK |
Dec-25-06 11:29 PM |
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In time you will find someone to support fully |
illinoisprogressive |
Dec-25-06 11:56 PM |
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Of course. :-) |
Blue_In_AK |
Dec-26-06 12:07 AM |
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Edwards could have competed (note PAST tense) |
app_farmer_rb |
Dec-25-06 11:55 PM |
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I've heard this before about Edwards |
illinoisprogressive |
Dec-26-06 12:08 AM |
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These were/are most of the Repub talking points from 2004 |
unc70 |
Dec-26-06 04:22 AM |
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No they're not. |
Clark2008 |
Dec-26-06 11:08 AM |
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He was well-liked in NC, and is still |
venable |
Dec-26-06 05:59 PM |
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The GOP welcomes you to DU with this biased, unsubstantiated slander of Edwards. |
chimpymustgo |
Dec-26-06 07:55 AM |
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Don't you love these threads ? |
Catchawave |
Dec-26-06 10:01 AM |
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that's right chimpy: you CAN'T |
app_farmer_rb |
Dec-26-06 02:28 PM |
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Well, opinions are like *ssholes. But you know that. |
chimpymustgo |
Dec-26-06 03:49 PM |
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oops, gotta correct my own statement |
app_farmer_rb |
Dec-28-06 07:22 AM |
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I never heard from John Edwards either. |
NCarolinawoman |
Dec-26-06 09:15 PM |
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Edwards' platform |
liberalpragmatist |
Dec-26-06 12:09 AM |
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This is funny because |
illinoisprogressive |
Dec-26-06 12:26 AM |
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Well everyone always says they don't want VP |
liberalpragmatist |
Dec-26-06 12:32 AM |
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I think Obama will move so far ahead |
talk hard |
Dec-26-06 12:22 AM |
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I wish Hillary would stay in the Senate |
illinoisprogressive |
Dec-26-06 12:39 AM |
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Obama is moving supporters from lots of camps to his side |
talk hard |
Dec-26-06 12:50 AM |
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Go back to the archives of 2003 |
madfloridian |
Dec-26-06 12:47 AM |
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Florida.... how do you get in the archives from that far back? |
larissa |
Dec-26-06 03:05 AM |
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You can't get in prior to, I believe, July of 2003. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-26-06 03:47 PM |
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it is obama's to lose |
earthlover |
Dec-26-06 01:33 AM |
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If it comes down to Obama, Hillary and Edwards |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-26-06 03:55 PM |
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I don't share your choice (I like Edwards) but I love |
venable |
Dec-26-06 06:02 PM |
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He combines everything Obama has to offer with a little bit more experience and track record. n/t |
Infinite Hope |
Dec-26-06 02:46 AM |
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He comes across as less sincere than Obama, IMO |
ripple |
Dec-26-06 09:38 AM |
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I think our top tier 3 will be Clark, Edwards and Obama |
larissa |
Dec-26-06 03:00 AM |
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You forgot that Obama hasn't been on a losing national ticket, Edwards is damaged goods |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-26-06 04:57 AM |
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Bingo |
mtnsnake |
Dec-26-06 10:14 AM |
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I'd pick Edwards over Obama in a second |
Digit |
Dec-26-06 07:20 AM |
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I am with you on this one. n/t |
grmamo |
Dec-26-06 10:37 AM |
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Too early to call on Edwards or Obama, they've both just barely started... |
Imagevision |
Dec-26-06 01:56 PM |
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Edwards has a bigger base to work with |
MATTMAN |
Dec-26-06 10:22 AM |
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Well, my whole family of Southerners aren't voting for him. |
Clark2008 |
Dec-26-06 11:12 AM |
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I am sure your family represents the southern consensus. |
MATTMAN |
Dec-26-06 11:53 AM |
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Southerners aren't die cast. And when you consider how many YANKEES |
renie408 |
Dec-26-06 12:29 PM |
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I thought this was about Edwards and Obama |
venable |
Dec-26-06 06:07 PM |
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How can Clark effectively compete with Edwards and Obama? |
Catchawave |
Dec-26-06 12:15 PM |
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I think Edwards is better on TV than Obama. |
gulliver |
Dec-26-06 12:38 PM |
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I agree about Elizabeth n/t |
renie408 |
Dec-26-06 12:54 PM |
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It's better for Edwards that Obama is running, if Edwards is the better man? he will win... |
Imagevision |
Dec-26-06 01:39 PM |
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Obama in the race will make Edwards a stronger and deeper candidate |
beaconess |
Dec-26-06 02:59 PM |
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He can be himself and not worry about taking stances the media does not like. |
Dr Fate |
Dec-26-06 03:00 PM |
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Off base? |
LWolf |
Dec-26-06 03:05 PM |
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Charisma? |
durtee librul |
Dec-26-06 04:07 PM |
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Yes, I think that the Bush Presidency proves how much gritty reality means to Americans. |
renie408 |
Dec-26-06 05:13 PM |
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As long as that's not a rhetorical question: |
LWolf |
Dec-26-06 08:07 PM |
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well said |
venable |
Dec-26-06 06:08 PM |
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Obama Is On The Rise FOR NOW. Hillary Is "Sliding," And Obama is Next, THEN |
Dinger |
Dec-26-06 03:56 PM |
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Obama is a newer, shinier candidate with that new car smell. |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-26-06 06:02 PM |
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Ahhh...but it was a failed candidacy once removed. |
renie408 |
Dec-26-06 06:04 PM |
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So does Gore ? |
Catchawave |
Dec-26-06 06:14 PM |
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just that Obama is a clean slate |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-26-06 06:36 PM |
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I worry it might be a little TOO clean. |
renie408 |
Dec-26-06 06:40 PM |
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the MSM is already excavating dirt on Obama |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-26-06 06:48 PM |
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I don't know about Velveeta, but it sure can give the other side |
renie408 |
Dec-26-06 06:52 PM |
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So is Edwards.... |
Catchawave |
Dec-26-06 07:53 PM |
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Obama is pristine comparatively. |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-26-06 08:09 PM |
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$50 says Obama has been guilty of significant poor judgement at some point |
renie408 |
Dec-26-06 08:15 PM |
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oh no doubt |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-26-06 08:17 PM |
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Pax |
renie408 |
Dec-26-06 08:33 PM |
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Thank you :) |
Catchawave |
Dec-26-06 08:20 PM |
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thank you |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-26-06 08:24 PM |
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See ya on the race track :) |
Catchawave |
Dec-26-06 08:51 PM |
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Gore didn't lose. I think that would be in his favor in other campaign.n/t |
renie408 |
Dec-26-06 06:38 PM |
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plus Gore has had sufficient time |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-26-06 06:44 PM |
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Yup |
renie408 |
Dec-26-06 06:50 PM |
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So did Kerry/Edwards then ? |
Catchawave |
Dec-26-06 07:51 PM |
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This reminds me of my daughter |
renie408 |
Dec-26-06 07:57 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-26-06 06:42 PM |
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I really don't see how Obama is a weak candidate |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-26-06 07:14 PM |
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again, love the flickering window, but how can you say |
venable |
Dec-26-06 07:41 PM |
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You have your view and I have mine. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-26-06 07:46 PM |
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Please |
renie408 |
Dec-26-06 07:50 PM |
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I'll give my biased shorthand version |
venable |
Dec-26-06 08:13 PM |
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This thread has some good info. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-26-06 08:23 PM |
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Ok, what I get out of this |
renie408 |
Dec-26-06 08:29 PM |
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there's something else worth saying |
venable |
Dec-26-06 08:44 PM |
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"Why do we eat our own, good men and women all?" Hell if I know...n/t |
renie408 |
Dec-26-06 08:50 PM |
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Just that, as Venable said, |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-28-06 03:47 AM |
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Do you really believe Edwards is stupid |
venable |
Dec-26-06 08:49 PM |
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I believe that he displayed some very poor judgement. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-27-06 03:33 AM |
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I agree with almost everything you said. |
SanCristobal |
Dec-26-06 07:43 PM |
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How can Edwards compete with Obama? |
SteveM |
Dec-28-06 08:58 AM |
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