Reply #3: And what exactly has "being a serious country" benefited most of us that we

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wouldn't have had anyway if we weren't supporting Socialism for Big Oil et al?

Would being a "serious country" make my job more secure? Will it result in any of the other economic securities I need, such as: health care, appropriate and complete education, sane and financially responsible national defense, annual raises at or better than cost of living . . . . ? Oil men are Capitalists. Well so am I! I want something of REAL value for my physical investments, body, intelligence, and energy, and MONEY AIN'T IT!!!!!

FUCK being a serious country!!! - especially FUCK being a serious country until we really ARE "serious" by demonstrating some notion of energy responsibility, i.e. conservation in its many, many, many forms.