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Mon Oct-26-09 09:44 PM
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Important issue. Gay rights now!  |
| -Want some idea why many gays are pissed at Obama, read this |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 04:25 PM |
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I must have missed all the other posts that expressed outrage..... |
stray cat |
Oct-26-09 04:46 PM |
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there have been several of the years of this case |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 04:54 PM |
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What a sad, sick world we live in. And yeah, I'm gonna post this: |
Zenlitened |
Oct-26-09 06:50 PM |
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Knee Jerk Bullshit meter goes to 8.7 after readin this "Holder chose to ignore Kerry’s efforts.(AP)" |
uponit7771 |
Oct-26-09 07:19 PM |
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The man is the AG, he has had this case for several months, and Kerry directly appealed to him |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 07:22 PM |
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If post #41 is correct then there was really nothing AG Holder could do. |
vaberella |
Oct-27-09 01:48 AM |
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He could have let him in on humanitarian grounds |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 05:44 AM |
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Are we forgetting denied asylum? |
vaberella |
Oct-27-09 07:16 AM |
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.. Goodling's Partisan Hiring .. (2007) |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 07:33 PM |
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that is certainly problematic and might well have been determantive here |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 07:46 PM |
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I don't think any one detail is likely to be determinative. The politicization of |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 07:57 PM |
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Reunite this family (Boston Globe editorial 2007) |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 07:38 PM |
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S.424: Uniting American Families Act of 2009 |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 07:41 PM |
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H.R.1024: Uniting American Families Act of 2009 |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 07:43 PM |
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Obama is the only President that is expected to review and make an opinion on |
Thrill |
Oct-26-09 07:46 PM |
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Not all |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 07:47 PM |
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You should be pissed at Holder not the President |
Thrill |
Oct-26-09 07:58 PM |
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It doesn't take a ton of advice to figure this out |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 08:07 PM |
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*YOU* should be pissed as well |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 10:00 PM |
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Treatment by the US of asylum seekers has been screwed up for as long as I can remember |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 07:52 PM |
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Another thread where "liberals" are blaming the gay community |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 08:24 PM |
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It happens a lot around here. n/t |
QC |
Oct-26-09 08:41 PM |
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Primarily in GD-P |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 08:45 PM |
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It must surely be the purest coincidence. n/t |
QC |
Oct-26-09 09:28 PM |
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Reeks of desperation. |
Zenlitened |
Oct-26-09 09:03 PM |
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Who's blaming who? |
boppers |
Oct-26-09 09:56 PM |
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Excuse me |
dbmk |
Oct-27-09 08:44 AM |
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Interesting. The "liberal" bigots are unreccing this. |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 08:28 PM |
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there's a cadre of unrecommenders but they don't just target these issues |
CreekDog |
Oct-27-09 05:11 PM |
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People get denied asylum all the time |
SpartanDem |
Oct-26-09 08:51 PM |
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they wouldn't even have to ask for asylum if they weren't gay |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 08:53 PM |
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So how's Nadler's Respect for Marriage Act of 2009 doing? |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 09:11 PM |
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I think we have a better shot at the uniting families act |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 09:12 PM |
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I don't really have a feel for the issue, since I've never been able to understand |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 09:45 PM |
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residency due to marriage is not garunteed nor immediate |
mkultra |
Oct-26-09 10:57 PM |
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that is just plain false |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 04:58 AM |
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perhaps you are mistaken |
mkultra |
Oct-27-09 10:19 AM |
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the Brazillian was female and to my knowledge no |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 04:12 PM |
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doesnt asylum only pertain to those under threat by their native government? |
mkultra |
Oct-27-09 05:47 PM |
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which is my precise point |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 05:56 PM |
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im strill trying to understand your point frankly |
mkultra |
Oct-28-09 10:56 PM |
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He applied for asylum because he was entitled to it |
dsc |
Oct-28-09 11:03 PM |
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so are you saying the rejection of asylum was based in bigotry? |
mkultra |
Oct-28-09 11:23 PM |
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I am saying the fact he had to apply for asylum as opposed to just remaining here as the husband |
dsc |
Oct-29-09 05:33 AM |
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Well, i cant disagree that its bigotry but i fail to see how thats obama's fault |
mkultra |
Oct-29-09 07:59 AM |
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The key issue is that the USA doesn't see it as a legal marriage |
CreekDog |
Oct-27-09 05:12 PM |
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I have a problem with your post. This is NOT a gay issue--or singularly so. |
vaberella |
Oct-26-09 09:04 PM |
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This is a legally married couple who but for the fact it is a gay couple |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 09:07 PM |
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I read the article. The OP implies Oliveira was seeking asylum BEFORE he was married. |
vaberella |
Oct-26-09 09:20 PM |
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If their marriage were recognized, asylum would be irrelevent period |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 09:25 PM |
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This is my last post on the topic because you made this personal. |
vaberella |
Oct-26-09 09:48 PM |
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If they were an interracial, straight couple, then asylum wouldn't be needed |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 04:50 AM |
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I don't think you're getting it |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 10:10 PM |
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Ahh, understood. That's different from where I was taking the article. |
vaberella |
Oct-26-09 10:18 PM |
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could be |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 11:35 PM |
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Is there a case file? Because if AG Holder upheld the reasoning. |
vaberella |
Oct-27-09 01:27 AM |
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Senator Barack Obama voted with the GOP against |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-27-09 07:30 AM |
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Really? Can you give us a link to a roll-call vote? I don't think there ever was a vote |
struggle4progress |
Oct-27-09 05:47 PM |
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could you be more specific because im not seeing what your seeing |
mkultra |
Oct-27-09 09:58 PM |
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Automatic - really? |
dbmk |
Oct-27-09 08:39 AM |
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All excellent questions |
HamdenRice |
Oct-27-09 08:50 AM |
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Thank you, vaberella. Very well said. |
Number23 |
Oct-26-09 11:25 PM |
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This isn't about race |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 11:38 PM |
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Perhaps you should inform the OP of that. |
Number23 |
Oct-26-09 11:39 PM |
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Perhaps we should focus on the story |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 11:42 PM |
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This happens EVERY DAY in countries all over the world. |
Number23 |
Oct-26-09 11:46 PM |
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If this was a straight couple |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 11:57 PM |
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From reading more than one article on this |
Number23 |
Oct-27-09 12:05 AM |
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As you and I both know |
ruggerson |
Oct-27-09 12:18 AM |
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"Sometimes, it might be fair, sometimes not." |
Number23 |
Oct-27-09 12:25 AM |
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If this was the first screw up |
ruggerson |
Oct-27-09 12:46 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-27-09 01:00 AM |
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As a Senator, Obama voted against the Uniting American |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-27-09 07:34 AM |
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I wasn't aware of that. If that's the case, that's appalling. |
ruggerson |
Oct-27-09 09:09 AM |
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You probably weren't aware of it because it probably never happened |
struggle4progress |
Oct-27-09 04:49 PM |
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Every single word from that poster should be taken with a HUGE grain of salt |
Number23 |
Oct-27-09 05:18 PM |
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As noted above, I'm unaware of the bill coming to a vote |
ruggerson |
Oct-27-09 06:21 PM |
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Feel free to look it up at Thomas. For this year's bills, follow links I've posted in the thread |
struggle4progress |
Oct-27-09 06:39 PM |
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Really? Can you give us a link to a roll-call vote? I don't think there ever was a vote |
struggle4progress |
Oct-27-09 04:46 PM |
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are you lying bluenorthwest? |
mkultra |
Oct-27-09 10:03 PM |
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well he did have time |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 04:54 AM |
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Very, VERY Well Said. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Oct-27-09 11:47 AM |
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It also seems to me that... |
butterfly77 |
Oct-27-09 03:26 PM |
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We're so noisy sometimes |
Prism |
Oct-27-09 03:49 PM |
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I will tell what your problem may be.. |
butterfly77 |
Oct-27-09 04:37 PM |
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No, I know what the problem is |
Prism |
Oct-27-09 05:00 PM |
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Bullshit! Don't put words in my mouth.. |
butterfly77 |
Oct-28-09 04:15 PM |
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Is There Anything Which Can Be Done for This Couple Now? |
PopSixSquish |
Oct-26-09 09:33 PM |
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I am presuming not |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 09:38 PM |
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They would benefit if we passed S424/HR1024 |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 09:48 PM |
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What are the Prospects for Passage? |
PopSixSquish |
Oct-26-09 10:29 PM |
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Both bills have been in committee since February. Something like a quarter |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 10:54 PM |
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Let's hope the ball begins to roll after healthcare is done |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 11:51 PM |
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K&R |
elshiva |
Oct-26-09 09:44 PM |
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Hopefully this story is not over yet |
zulchzulu |
Oct-26-09 10:21 PM |
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The first article changes the entire purpose of the argument in post #40. |
vaberella |
Oct-27-09 01:43 AM |
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That is baldly false |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 04:56 AM |
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That's the whole point of seeking asylum which was denied. n/t |
vaberella |
Oct-27-09 07:15 AM |
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And you can show us that straight married people are |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-27-09 07:50 AM |
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First off...what does the conditions of my being in the US have to do with anything. |
vaberella |
Oct-27-09 08:36 AM |
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Holder could address the issue like others who have gotten asylum from Brazil |
zulchzulu |
Oct-27-09 08:40 AM |
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all either Obama or Holder have to do |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 04:59 AM |
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There are a few things fishy about this story. Holder did exactly the right thing. |
HamdenRice |
Oct-27-09 06:28 AM |
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I know for a direct fact that you are wrong on virtually all counts |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 11:16 AM |
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You seem confused |
HamdenRice |
Oct-27-09 12:21 PM |
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Your info. isn't based on all available facts |
NotNarrow |
Oct-27-09 11:58 PM |
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Thanks for the background. Well researched and thoughtful. |
ruggerson |
Oct-28-09 11:15 PM |
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I would think that his embrace of religious fundamentalism would be enough. |
VMI Dem |
Oct-27-09 07:52 AM |
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Dsc, you should know by now |
Prism |
Oct-27-09 11:30 AM |
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But the real question is..... |
SacredCow |
Oct-27-09 03:14 PM |
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Ponies are mythological creatures |
Prism |
Oct-27-09 03:24 PM |
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Excellent post. All too true, sadly. |
Zenlitened |
Oct-27-09 05:21 PM |
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But the mechanisms in place were set up by republicans |
ecstatic |
Oct-27-09 11:45 AM |
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Let me guess. |
Life Long Dem |
Oct-27-09 03:20 PM |
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gee let a white gay poster belittle black causes on here in this way |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 04:14 PM |
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I didn't belittle the cause. |
Life Long Dem |
Oct-27-09 05:18 PM |
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Who appointed, and at whose pleasure, does Mr. Holder serve |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 05:26 PM |
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Ninth Circuit Recognizes Rape Constitutes Persecution on Account of Political Opinion (2004) |
struggle4progress |
Oct-27-09 08:30 PM |
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looks like the applicant broke the 180 day rule and fell victim when asylum was not granted |
mkultra |
Oct-27-09 10:19 PM |
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My current (unprofessional) understanding is that DOMA moots the 180 day rule |
struggle4progress |
Oct-28-09 12:41 AM |
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why is that? |
mkultra |
Oct-28-09 10:50 PM |
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Let's be precise. The actual rule is that 180 days illegal presence triggers |
struggle4progress |
Oct-29-09 01:17 AM |
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sounds reasonable, now explain how that links to Obama |
mkultra |
Oct-29-09 08:02 AM |
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My #6 shows the immigration judge is one of a number of political appointees from the W era |
struggle4progress |
Oct-29-09 01:13 PM |
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DOMA makes the 180 day rule irrelevent |
dsc |
Oct-28-09 04:40 AM |
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got any links on that |
mkultra |
Oct-28-09 10:50 PM |
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thanks for posting |
tomm2thumbs |
Oct-28-09 01:15 AM |
#114 |
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