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Tue Oct-27-09 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #64 |
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Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 10:33 AM by mkultra
here's a link for you http://www.shusterman.com/marriage.html one of the limitations is that if the non resident has been in the country unlawfully for more then 180 days. I'm not sure what happens if that is the case but i would imagine that it means they must return to their country of origin before apply. My daughter is getting married to a non resident. I am familiar with the process but not fully versed. One of his concerns is that he may have to return to his home country before obtaining residency. Again though i would ask, was the gentleman involved suffering at the hands of his government? |
| -Want some idea why many gays are pissed at Obama, read this |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 04:25 PM |
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I must have missed all the other posts that expressed outrage..... |
stray cat |
Oct-26-09 04:46 PM |
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there have been several of the years of this case |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 04:54 PM |
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What a sad, sick world we live in. And yeah, I'm gonna post this: |
Zenlitened |
Oct-26-09 06:50 PM |
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Knee Jerk Bullshit meter goes to 8.7 after readin this "Holder chose to ignore Kerry’s efforts.(AP)" |
uponit7771 |
Oct-26-09 07:19 PM |
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The man is the AG, he has had this case for several months, and Kerry directly appealed to him |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 07:22 PM |
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If post #41 is correct then there was really nothing AG Holder could do. |
vaberella |
Oct-27-09 01:48 AM |
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He could have let him in on humanitarian grounds |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 05:44 AM |
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Are we forgetting denied asylum? |
vaberella |
Oct-27-09 07:16 AM |
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.. Goodling's Partisan Hiring .. (2007) |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 07:33 PM |
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that is certainly problematic and might well have been determantive here |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 07:46 PM |
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I don't think any one detail is likely to be determinative. The politicization of |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 07:57 PM |
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Reunite this family (Boston Globe editorial 2007) |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 07:38 PM |
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S.424: Uniting American Families Act of 2009 |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 07:41 PM |
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H.R.1024: Uniting American Families Act of 2009 |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 07:43 PM |
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Obama is the only President that is expected to review and make an opinion on |
Thrill |
Oct-26-09 07:46 PM |
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Not all |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 07:47 PM |
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You should be pissed at Holder not the President |
Thrill |
Oct-26-09 07:58 PM |
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It doesn't take a ton of advice to figure this out |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 08:07 PM |
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*YOU* should be pissed as well |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 10:00 PM |
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Treatment by the US of asylum seekers has been screwed up for as long as I can remember |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 07:52 PM |
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Another thread where "liberals" are blaming the gay community |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 08:24 PM |
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It happens a lot around here. n/t |
QC |
Oct-26-09 08:41 PM |
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Primarily in GD-P |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 08:45 PM |
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It must surely be the purest coincidence. n/t |
QC |
Oct-26-09 09:28 PM |
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Reeks of desperation. |
Zenlitened |
Oct-26-09 09:03 PM |
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Who's blaming who? |
boppers |
Oct-26-09 09:56 PM |
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Excuse me |
dbmk |
Oct-27-09 08:44 AM |
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Interesting. The "liberal" bigots are unreccing this. |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 08:28 PM |
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there's a cadre of unrecommenders but they don't just target these issues |
CreekDog |
Oct-27-09 05:11 PM |
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People get denied asylum all the time |
SpartanDem |
Oct-26-09 08:51 PM |
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they wouldn't even have to ask for asylum if they weren't gay |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 08:53 PM |
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So how's Nadler's Respect for Marriage Act of 2009 doing? |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 09:11 PM |
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I think we have a better shot at the uniting families act |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 09:12 PM |
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I don't really have a feel for the issue, since I've never been able to understand |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 09:45 PM |
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residency due to marriage is not garunteed nor immediate |
mkultra |
Oct-26-09 10:57 PM |
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that is just plain false |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 04:58 AM |
#64 |
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perhaps you are mistaken |
mkultra |
Oct-27-09 10:19 AM |
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the Brazillian was female and to my knowledge no |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 04:12 PM |
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doesnt asylum only pertain to those under threat by their native government? |
mkultra |
Oct-27-09 05:47 PM |
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which is my precise point |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 05:56 PM |
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im strill trying to understand your point frankly |
mkultra |
Oct-28-09 10:56 PM |
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He applied for asylum because he was entitled to it |
dsc |
Oct-28-09 11:03 PM |
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so are you saying the rejection of asylum was based in bigotry? |
mkultra |
Oct-28-09 11:23 PM |
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I am saying the fact he had to apply for asylum as opposed to just remaining here as the husband |
dsc |
Oct-29-09 05:33 AM |
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Well, i cant disagree that its bigotry but i fail to see how thats obama's fault |
mkultra |
Oct-29-09 07:59 AM |
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The key issue is that the USA doesn't see it as a legal marriage |
CreekDog |
Oct-27-09 05:12 PM |
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I have a problem with your post. This is NOT a gay issue--or singularly so. |
vaberella |
Oct-26-09 09:04 PM |
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This is a legally married couple who but for the fact it is a gay couple |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 09:07 PM |
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I read the article. The OP implies Oliveira was seeking asylum BEFORE he was married. |
vaberella |
Oct-26-09 09:20 PM |
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If their marriage were recognized, asylum would be irrelevent period |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 09:25 PM |
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This is my last post on the topic because you made this personal. |
vaberella |
Oct-26-09 09:48 PM |
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If they were an interracial, straight couple, then asylum wouldn't be needed |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 04:50 AM |
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I don't think you're getting it |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 10:10 PM |
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Ahh, understood. That's different from where I was taking the article. |
vaberella |
Oct-26-09 10:18 PM |
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could be |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 11:35 PM |
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Is there a case file? Because if AG Holder upheld the reasoning. |
vaberella |
Oct-27-09 01:27 AM |
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Senator Barack Obama voted with the GOP against |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-27-09 07:30 AM |
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Really? Can you give us a link to a roll-call vote? I don't think there ever was a vote |
struggle4progress |
Oct-27-09 05:47 PM |
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could you be more specific because im not seeing what your seeing |
mkultra |
Oct-27-09 09:58 PM |
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Automatic - really? |
dbmk |
Oct-27-09 08:39 AM |
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All excellent questions |
HamdenRice |
Oct-27-09 08:50 AM |
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Thank you, vaberella. Very well said. |
Number23 |
Oct-26-09 11:25 PM |
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This isn't about race |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 11:38 PM |
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Perhaps you should inform the OP of that. |
Number23 |
Oct-26-09 11:39 PM |
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Perhaps we should focus on the story |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 11:42 PM |
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This happens EVERY DAY in countries all over the world. |
Number23 |
Oct-26-09 11:46 PM |
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If this was a straight couple |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 11:57 PM |
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From reading more than one article on this |
Number23 |
Oct-27-09 12:05 AM |
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As you and I both know |
ruggerson |
Oct-27-09 12:18 AM |
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"Sometimes, it might be fair, sometimes not." |
Number23 |
Oct-27-09 12:25 AM |
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If this was the first screw up |
ruggerson |
Oct-27-09 12:46 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-27-09 01:00 AM |
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As a Senator, Obama voted against the Uniting American |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-27-09 07:34 AM |
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I wasn't aware of that. If that's the case, that's appalling. |
ruggerson |
Oct-27-09 09:09 AM |
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You probably weren't aware of it because it probably never happened |
struggle4progress |
Oct-27-09 04:49 PM |
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Every single word from that poster should be taken with a HUGE grain of salt |
Number23 |
Oct-27-09 05:18 PM |
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As noted above, I'm unaware of the bill coming to a vote |
ruggerson |
Oct-27-09 06:21 PM |
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Feel free to look it up at Thomas. For this year's bills, follow links I've posted in the thread |
struggle4progress |
Oct-27-09 06:39 PM |
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Really? Can you give us a link to a roll-call vote? I don't think there ever was a vote |
struggle4progress |
Oct-27-09 04:46 PM |
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are you lying bluenorthwest? |
mkultra |
Oct-27-09 10:03 PM |
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well he did have time |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 04:54 AM |
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Very, VERY Well Said. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Oct-27-09 11:47 AM |
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It also seems to me that... |
butterfly77 |
Oct-27-09 03:26 PM |
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We're so noisy sometimes |
Prism |
Oct-27-09 03:49 PM |
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I will tell what your problem may be.. |
butterfly77 |
Oct-27-09 04:37 PM |
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No, I know what the problem is |
Prism |
Oct-27-09 05:00 PM |
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Bullshit! Don't put words in my mouth.. |
butterfly77 |
Oct-28-09 04:15 PM |
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Is There Anything Which Can Be Done for This Couple Now? |
PopSixSquish |
Oct-26-09 09:33 PM |
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I am presuming not |
dsc |
Oct-26-09 09:38 PM |
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They would benefit if we passed S424/HR1024 |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 09:48 PM |
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What are the Prospects for Passage? |
PopSixSquish |
Oct-26-09 10:29 PM |
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Both bills have been in committee since February. Something like a quarter |
struggle4progress |
Oct-26-09 10:54 PM |
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Let's hope the ball begins to roll after healthcare is done |
ruggerson |
Oct-26-09 11:51 PM |
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K&R |
elshiva |
Oct-26-09 09:44 PM |
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Hopefully this story is not over yet |
zulchzulu |
Oct-26-09 10:21 PM |
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The first article changes the entire purpose of the argument in post #40. |
vaberella |
Oct-27-09 01:43 AM |
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That is baldly false |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 04:56 AM |
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That's the whole point of seeking asylum which was denied. n/t |
vaberella |
Oct-27-09 07:15 AM |
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And you can show us that straight married people are |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-27-09 07:50 AM |
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First off...what does the conditions of my being in the US have to do with anything. |
vaberella |
Oct-27-09 08:36 AM |
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Holder could address the issue like others who have gotten asylum from Brazil |
zulchzulu |
Oct-27-09 08:40 AM |
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all either Obama or Holder have to do |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 04:59 AM |
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There are a few things fishy about this story. Holder did exactly the right thing. |
HamdenRice |
Oct-27-09 06:28 AM |
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I know for a direct fact that you are wrong on virtually all counts |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 11:16 AM |
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You seem confused |
HamdenRice |
Oct-27-09 12:21 PM |
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Your info. isn't based on all available facts |
NotNarrow |
Oct-27-09 11:58 PM |
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Thanks for the background. Well researched and thoughtful. |
ruggerson |
Oct-28-09 11:15 PM |
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I would think that his embrace of religious fundamentalism would be enough. |
VMI Dem |
Oct-27-09 07:52 AM |
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Dsc, you should know by now |
Prism |
Oct-27-09 11:30 AM |
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But the real question is..... |
SacredCow |
Oct-27-09 03:14 PM |
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Ponies are mythological creatures |
Prism |
Oct-27-09 03:24 PM |
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Excellent post. All too true, sadly. |
Zenlitened |
Oct-27-09 05:21 PM |
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But the mechanisms in place were set up by republicans |
ecstatic |
Oct-27-09 11:45 AM |
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Let me guess. |
Life Long Dem |
Oct-27-09 03:20 PM |
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gee let a white gay poster belittle black causes on here in this way |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 04:14 PM |
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I didn't belittle the cause. |
Life Long Dem |
Oct-27-09 05:18 PM |
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Who appointed, and at whose pleasure, does Mr. Holder serve |
dsc |
Oct-27-09 05:26 PM |
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Ninth Circuit Recognizes Rape Constitutes Persecution on Account of Political Opinion (2004) |
struggle4progress |
Oct-27-09 08:30 PM |
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looks like the applicant broke the 180 day rule and fell victim when asylum was not granted |
mkultra |
Oct-27-09 10:19 PM |
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My current (unprofessional) understanding is that DOMA moots the 180 day rule |
struggle4progress |
Oct-28-09 12:41 AM |
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why is that? |
mkultra |
Oct-28-09 10:50 PM |
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Let's be precise. The actual rule is that 180 days illegal presence triggers |
struggle4progress |
Oct-29-09 01:17 AM |
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sounds reasonable, now explain how that links to Obama |
mkultra |
Oct-29-09 08:02 AM |
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My #6 shows the immigration judge is one of a number of political appointees from the W era |
struggle4progress |
Oct-29-09 01:13 PM |
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DOMA makes the 180 day rule irrelevent |
dsc |
Oct-28-09 04:40 AM |
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got any links on that |
mkultra |
Oct-28-09 10:50 PM |
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thanks for posting |
tomm2thumbs |
Oct-28-09 01:15 AM |
#114 |
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