Reply #12: How is it "groupthink" when most people outside DU, including undecideds,

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are saying they believed Edwards won? Groupthink occurs when people take a position on an issue that does NOT reflect reality accurately. What is the evidence that that is happening here?

Of course Edwards made mistakes. More than Cheney, though?

While you are patting yourself on the back for your "truthfulness", why don't you consider that you may have your own perceptual biases or unfair standards that are causing you to judge Edwards' performance too harshly relative to Cheney's performance? How do you know that while others have biases, you are free from them? Perhaps you should write that rational analysis after reviewing a tape of the debate, and identify exactly what the basis is for giving Cheney points on "style". Do the textbooks on effective persuasive speech "style" urge lying on factual matters, looking at the floor rather than at one's audience while speaking, wasting one's time by repeating "where do I begin?", failure to smile, etc.?