Reply #30: I agree with this

[Febble]

Let me make a careful distinction:

The fact that you cannot know "whether 2004 was stolen for sure" is the critical issue when it comes to the case against secret vote-counting software.

However, the estimates as to whether fraud was on a scale of millions or thousands is a critical issue when it comes to figuring out how to win the next election.

My own arguments that it was nowhere near millions makes absolutely no difference to the first issue, but it has an important bearing on the second.

This is why I agree that you are right: the case against digital voting technology must be framed in terms of trust and verifiability.

But when it comes to the case that Democrats did not lose the argument in 2004, then that needs to be based on estimates as to the number of votes likely to have been stolen or suppressed, and I think it is not a well-supported case. This is my problem with Kennedy.