Reply #42: Near death experiences.

[FedUpWithIt All]

It was a similar process for me. If i, faulty as i am, could forgive and want no suffering for people who have done me harm, surely a "perfect God" would be forgiving and loving to...well everyone.

My heart never matched what i was being told in church. Even as a very young girl. I pulled away from it all. As the years passed i began to read...everything. The picture that began to form was familiar. To me, we all are in life together. Nothing is more valuable than love, understanding and compassion. These things are the "God within us". Titles are irrelevent. I believe we all follow individual paths that will, if we CHOOSE to follow them, they all lead to the same place. That place is a sort of "collective", the best of us...ie. "God".


In the near death experiences, "hell" is described as a "place", or rather a state, that man sort of chooses for himself. It is a state of being with ones "addictions", individual desires... or anything that is more important to the individual than "love". They choose these things above being part of the blissful and "loving" collective. They are surrounded by "others" who also chose these types of things. They are a group, each seeking what is best for themselves over what is best for the group. A miserable existence. It is "separate from God" in a manner of speaking. Away from light and love. It is NOT eternal unless one chooses to stay in it eternally. When one chooses to forgo the "I" and join the "collective" they become part of that which they choose. The "helper" in each of the following examples come the deceased in whatever form they recognize and is most comforting to them as an individual. There is a consistent reference to "the light", a loving, all encompassing light.

Hell is a State of Mind

Hell is a state of mind. When we die, we are bound by what we think. (Angie Fenimore)

Hell is a psychological condition which represents the hellish inner thoughts and desires within some souls. In hell, souls become uninhibited and their hellish condition is fully manifested. No demons are there to inflict punishment. Each soul acts out their own anger and hatred by warring and tormenting others. (Emanuel Swedenborg)

The hell of hells is knowing you were our own devil. (Arthur Yensen)

It is your mind which creates hell. (Dr. Timothy Leary)

Hell refers to levels of negative thought-forms that reside in close proximity to the earth realm. It is where we go to work out, or remain within, our hang-ups, addictions, fears, guilt, angers, rage, regrets, self-pity, arrogance, or whatever else blocks us from the power of our own light. (Dr. PMH Atwater)

Hell is a level of consciousness which can be experienced in or out of the body. (Arthur Yensen

Hell is Having Earthly Desires That Can't Be Satisfied

Hell is a place where everyone retains the physical desires they were fixated on without a way to satisfy them. Hell is real hell for anyone who lives only to satisfy their selfish desires. (Arthur Yensen)

One level of hell exists right here on earth where an earthly desire is craved but cannot be satisfied. (Dr. George Ritchie)http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research14.html

The 'hell' that I experienced was the pain, anguish, hurt and anger that I had caused others, or that I suffered as a result of my actions/words to others. 'Hell' was what I had created for myself and my own soul through turning my back on unconditional love, compassion and peace. Be that unconditional love, compassion or peace for myself or others I came in contact with in my life.

Perhaps as many have said the NDE is not death. Perhaps it is not "going all the way." Perhaps when I "die" and "go all the way," I will know some other version of 'hell'. But for now, in this life, this time around, with what I learned in my NDE, I am quite satisfied to accept my belief that hell is of my own creation and choosing. If I choose to be hateful, hurtful, uncompassionate, unempathetic, unforgiving of myself and others, then I can choose to live in the ensuing hell that I will feel and know in my heart and soul through those actions. I have felt it since my NDE. Every time I have hurt someone, or not tried with my heart and soul to be loving and forgiving of them, I have had the horrendous "re-living" of the PAIN and hurt I felt during my "life review." It has just absolutely made me want to rip my heart out of my chest. http://www.near-death.com/forum/nde/000/35.html

My near-death experience shattered my world. It shook me into remembering spirit and other dimensions of life, which I had known as a child but had forgotten so that I could fit into society. I feel the jerking of the ambulance as it rushes me through the dark streets of Marseille to the hospital. Twenty-four hours have passed since my underground abortion with a feuseuse d'anges, an "angel maker." Abortion is illegal in France now, and many women die because of the unsanitary conditions of the procedure. I am only twenty-four years old, a young nurse. Am I dying? Am I outside myself observing? I see my body and its pain. I look at my feet; they are pale and lifeless. My legs cannot move. My face is white and drawn.

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Now the whole room is filled with spirits! They hover near me and look into my eyes. I try to push them away. I fight them. The experience seems to go on forever. These are spirits who are restless. Their faces are twisted with pain. They seem lost. It's frightening to see them walking back and forth around my bed. And now – spirits with glowing faces come close to me. They reflect a gentle and powerful light, reminding me of the pictures of beautiful angels that I love so much. I feel nurtured and loved by them, and enveloped by their luminescence. These beings are made of light, and even though their brilliance is intense, I am not blinded. Tremendous compassionate love surrounds me!

Now – I am filled with the essence of love and compassion. This magnetic power is filling every atom of me. I have never before experienced such depth and power of love. I am the power of love! Merging into an intimate dance wherein all boundaries have disappeared, I feel myself one with these beings of compassion.

No words or sounds are being exchanged, and yet communication is happening.

A strong presence assures me, "Yes, you are dying to the world of men. But to us you are being born. Do not be afraid. You have always been with us; we have always been with you. We know you. You just fell asleep during your time on earth and forgot who you are. Now you are remembering."

Revelation fills my awareness – of course, yes! I am of the Beings of Light and they are of me! What is this new surge of energy? It begins as a very gentle vibration rising through the length of my body, from my feet to the top of my head, but now my whole self is vibrating. I hear buzzing. It is growing louder, and now the vibration and the buzzing are becoming one.http://www.near-death.com/antonette.html

Jesus shows George a bar filled with sailors who are heavily drinking. Spirits try desperately and in vain to get a drink or to control the sailors' alcoholic behavior. These spirits are from humans who die severely alcoholic. He is horrified as he observes a drunken sailor pass out and an alcoholic spirit jump into the body of the sailor.

Jesus takes him to a new dimension away from earth and shows him a kind of "receiving station" where spirits would arrive in a deep hypnotic sleep because of their beliefs. These are spirits who believe they must sleep after death until Jesus returns.

Jesus shows him a dimension where angry spirits are locked in hand-to-hand combat, trying in vain to hurt each other. He hears verbal abuse going on. He observes some trying in vain to get sexual gratification from each other. He also sees spirits arguing over some religious or political point and trying to kill the ones who did not agree with them. Here, he realizes he is seeing hell. These are spirits who are locked into some earthly desire that went beyond the physical and which cannot be satisfied in the spirit. http://www.near-death.com/ritch.html

Then a most unusual thing happened. I heard very clearly, once again in my own voice, something that I had learned in nursery Sunday School. It was the little song, "Jesus loves me, yes I know ..." and it kept repeating. I don't know why, but all of a sudden I wanted to believe that. Not having anything left, I wanted to cling to that thought. And I, inside, screamed, "Jesus, please save me."

That thought was screamed with every ounce of strength and feeling left in me.

When I did that, I saw, off in the darkness somewhere, the tiniest little star. Not knowing what it was, I presumed it must be a comet or a meteor, because it was moving rapidly. Then I realized it was coming toward me. It was getting very bright, rapidly.

When the light came near, its radiance spilled over me, and I just rose up – not with my effort – I just lifted up. Then I saw – and I saw this very plainly – I saw all my wounds, all my tears, all my brokenness, melt away. And I became whole in this radiance.

What I did was to cry uncontrollably. I was crying, not out of sadness, but because I was feeling things that I had never felt before in my life.

Another thing happened. Suddenly I knew a whole bunch of things. I knew things ... I knew that this light, this radiance, knew me. I don't know how to explain to you that I knew it knew me, I just did. As a matter of fact, I understood that it knew me better than my mother or father did. The luminous entity that embraced me knew me intimately and began to communicate a tremendous sense of knowledge. I knew that he knew everything about me and I was being unconditionally loved and accepted.http://www.near-death.com/experiences/storm01.html